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IF the DBDRA is to add a Pro Street class, how would you like to see it setup? What needs to added? What needs to be changed? This class needs to fill a void in the current lineup. The jump between street and super street is too drastic. The most important aspect of creating a pro street would be to draw current street competitors up to a higher, more competitive level.
We all know that the upper eschelon of the street class has been very similar for the past few seasons. We need these competitors to "move up" into the ultimate street class. This will provide room for new competitors and up-and-comers to find a place in the current Street A and Street B.
Add a Pro Street class that would become the ultimate street class. This would be both a class for experienced street competitors, but also it allows for alot of "local guy" setups to be competitive without having to get smeared in SuperStreet.
Here is my proposal for a PRo Street:
1) Keep the rules the same as Srteet A and Street B. They are good rules and there are very few loopholes. 2) Allow Pro Street competitors to run and combination of size and quantity of woofer(s). This would accomodate those people with, for example, (6) 10s in a hatchback,(4) 15s in an SUV, etc a Street class to play within. By keeping with the current street rules (in the cargo area and passing the string test), there is only so much room in a "cargo area" to house equipment. It would be fun to see what kind of combos that competitors put together. 3) Remove the amplifier limit in PRo Street. Since we are already limited by the batteries, let Pro Street guys run as many amps as they want. There is only so much power that can be sucked from a couple of batteries. Again, this would allow for some pretty wild combos. DBDRA may want to consider letting PRo Street have an additional battery over Street B (that would make a total of 3 batteries.) 4) Add a move-up rule that forces any Street A or Street B competitor(and/or vehicle) who places in the TOP 3 at World Finals to move to PRO Street in the following season. Additionally, the competitor(and/or vehicle) with the "world Record" at the end of the seaosn in Street A and Street B must move up, regardless of that competitors placement (or attendance) at World Finals.
My idea of a PRo Street would end up crowning the ultimate and loudest "street" vehicle, while still maintaining street vehicle credibilty. This PRo Street would really challenge the creative minds of the current crop of top street competiors. This kind of challenge "to be the best" should free up space in Street A and Street B for new and rising competitors.
Finally, you may want to consider allowing "external controls" in such a class.
I really want to hear from fellow competitors. Does this proposal sound good to you? How would you tweak it? Would it help open up space for new competitors in Street A and B? Would you adhere to the move up to Pro Street?
Thank you for reading this,
Andrew Harper
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Okay, here is what I would like to see in Pro Street. Obviously Wayne and the judges will decide what is best for the regular street class I guess we'll call it but I think if you qualify for finals in that class, regardless of what place you get, if you go to finals you will be forced to move up.
1. Head Units can be outside I bet you didn't see that one coming, I won't beat a dead horse with my reasoning. 2. Keep the rules the same as Street except for amplifiers, to make this class different than street but more of a steping stone to super street I say lift the amp rule. I hate to say that because I know that it will end up costing me alot more money but the fact of the matter is that I just don't see a real way of inforcing amp rules that are always cheated or bent or not enforced, ie zapco 6.0, zapco 4KW, Spl Dynamics amp. If we are going to allow these amps to be in the street class even though everyone knows what the intent of the rule is, I say just lift it all together, it will solve alot of controversy. Leave the battery amount the same, subwoofer size and quanity the same, keep the cars off, no removing panels, etc. all other rules the same. I think this will make it a more extreme street class but still keep the budget somewhat under control, it will also allow some competitors of other orgs to come over and not worry so much that they don't have the most expensive 1 or 2 amps on the market.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: Okay, here is what I would like to see in Pro Street. Obviously Wayne and the judges will decide what is best for the regular street class I guess we'll call it but I think if you qualify for finals in that class, regardless of what place you get, if you go to finals you will be forced to move up.
1. Head Units can be outside I bet you didn't see that one coming, I won't beat a dead horse with my reasoning. 2. Keep the rules the same as Street except for amplifiers, to make this class different than street but more of a steping stone to super street I say lift the amp rule. I hate to say that because I know that it will end up costing me alot more money but the fact of the matter is that I just don't see a real way of inforcing amp rules that are always cheated or bent or not enforced, ie zapco 6.0, zapco 4KW, Spl Dynamics amp. If we are going to allow these amps to be in the street class even though everyone knows what the intent of the rule is, I say just lift it all together, it will solve alot of controversy. Leave the battery amount the same, subwoofer size and quanity the same, keep the cars off, no removing panels, etc. all other rules the same. I think this will make it a more extreme street class but still keep the budget somewhat under control, it will also allow some competitors of other orgs to come over and not worry so much that they don't have the most expensive 1 or 2 amps on the market.
I think this is a good idea, I but I would like to add, that I think there should be a rule about the battery compartment, and how it cannot be modified to fit a larger battery. I think that the head unit outside the car is a good idea for the Pro-Street class.
Also, I think there need to be something in the rules that state if you are a shop owner, or work for a shop, that you cannot compte in Street, you have to go Pro-Street.
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I think that pro-street classes are just a way for us to shuffle around the current street teams and alllow the current people in street a better chance at winning because the louder/older guys moved to pro-street. I do not see this class structure actually bringing new people into the sport,which is what we need to do.
I have seen the argument that pro-street will let people move to another level without a lot of the investment to compete in super-street. I just wonder if our seasoned competitors leave street and many of the cars that went to finals in street don't move up, where does that leave the new person at a local show? In the same place they are currently in. Facing a CRX with a 9.0 that took 6th place at finals.
I think that we should be looking at finding somewhere to place new competitors. The biggest arguement for SS 1 is that there are classes in different orgs that will allow a very easy transition over. I was at first one of the people against SS 1. I now see that other orgs are going to be using the sensor for their meters next year so we may actually get more Db Drags shows from Meca retail members and our retailers may now hold shows for meca,usaci,etc. I think that if we change the street classes we need to look at other orgs also. From what I see Meca has 2 street divisions.
CS Class mirrors our Street classes but the formula limits amp output in the class.
AS Class has no defined comparision in DB Drags. This class appears like our mini-street class more then our Street class.
I think that if we argue that we want our SS class to be easier to transition from other orgs then we should make our Street class easier also and instead of Pro-Street firm up the rules for mini-street and give the new competitors somewhere to go. This will bring more people into the sport then a pro-street class. We won't need a move up rule because mini-street doesn't go to finals. I can't think of many people that would stay in a mini-street class is the rules are anything like the AS class in meca.
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I disagree with having all strret finals qualifiers forced to move into a PRo Stret class. That would force 30 competitors ever year to move to Pro Street. That too much! Plus, not all those that qualify for finals are really in contention for winning. It seems that the top 2 or 3 in each street class are usually well ahead of the rest of the pack. I don't think Street is a one and done type of class. For some competitors, especially those who aren't helped by seasoned competitors, it may take a couple years of competing and qualifying for finals before a competitor is truly ready to contend for the title.
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2002 STREET 3-4 6th Place World Finals 2003 Street B 2nd Place Spring Break Nationals Posts: 1702 | From: Vero Beach, FL | Registered: Jul 2001
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quote:Originally posted by QuadCam: We all know that the upper eschelon of the street class has been very similar for the past few seasons. We need these competitors to "move up" into the ultimate street class. This will provide room for new competitors and up-and-comers to find a place in the current Street A and Street B.
I have ALOT of feelings about the top two posts proposals. And to be honest I disagree in almost EVERY aspect. (I am trying to look at this from a new compititor aspect (which I was one year ago), and a person that would be required ot move -up if this was accepted.
First Andrew Harper proposes an unlimited subwoofer and amplifier class. This is basically NW SUPERSTREET with a battery limitation. I could probably get 5-7 times the number of regular superstreet batteries as I can for the super capicity 12 volt batteries so no money saved there.
I think this will PREVENT people from MOVING-UP because of the huge amount of money it takes to be competitive (same as SS). I think this goes against the whole purpose of the proposal.
As far as the same people at the top in street each year. If there is NO move-up rule then it it is NOT their resonsibility to allow people to catch them. Alfaro's, Kevin, Sweetsounds, Sound Decision SHOULD NOT slow down for others to catch them. It take hard work to catch these guys.....ASK Mike Blanchfield and the whole Trendsetters crew, they did it in ONE year with hardwork. We "almost" did it in ONE year with a UNCONVENTIONAL vehicle. I am not mad at them for not catching them, I am PISSED at ourselves for not catching them.
As far as only a certain amount of power that can come out of 3 or less batteries. I agree but still KNOW that you will be surprised at the number of amps run 2 batteries. Carlos Garcia was having a battery issue at final, so he removed one form the circuit, and ran 4 9.0's off ONE battery, he ONLY dropped .1 db. SO you will see atleast 8 9.0's in a unlimited amp class, if not more.
Sorry for being so long..I hate reading long posts myself.
If anything is unclear, I would be more than happy to discuss my thoughts with anyone.
Chris Gordon marinerfan8@hotmail.com OkMariner8 on AOL IM
So my proposal is EVERYTHING the same as 2003 with a 1 sub 1 amp lower class
and for the rookies, come get these guys, cause the lower class wil be just as competitive as it was in 2003 (just without the big names)
-------------------- Chris TEAM B.Y.O.B. - "Bring Your Own Bass" 154.3 DB - JEEP WRANGLER!! (non-crx, non-crx box...thinking outside the box) 2003 DB DRAG WORLD FINALS - 4TH PLACE STREET B 2003 H-O ALTERNATORS STREET ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 2003 DB DRAG 3RD PLACE POINTS CHAMPION - 247 POINTS SAME CAR
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: Okay, here is what I would like to see in Pro Street. Obviously Wayne and the judges will decide what is best for the regular street class I guess we'll call it but I think if you qualify for finals in that class, regardless of what place you get, if you go to finals you will be forced to move up.
1. Head Units can be outside I bet you didn't see that one coming, I won't beat a dead horse with my reasoning. 2. Keep the rules the same as Street except for amplifiers, to make this class different than street but more of a steping stone to super street I say lift the amp rule. I hate to say that because I know that it will end up costing me alot more money but the fact of the matter is that I just don't see a real way of inforcing amp rules that are always cheated or bent or not enforced, ie zapco 6.0, zapco 4KW, Spl Dynamics amp. If we are going to allow these amps to be in the street class even though everyone knows what the intent of the rule is, I say just lift it all together, it will solve alot of controversy. Leave the battery amount the same, subwoofer size and quanity the same, keep the cars off, no removing panels, etc. all other rules the same. I think this will make it a more extreme street class but still keep the budget somewhat under control, it will also allow some competitors of other orgs to come over and not worry so much that they don't have the most expensive 1 or 2 amps on the market.
I completely agree with this. Just would like to add maybe some type of battery limit
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Ok, I see what you guys are talking about, how the actual car would not move up as well, what if we started added the VIN number of the cars into Term-Lab and associating it with the competitor? That would take care of the cars AND the competitors moving up, I know that most newer cars come with a barcode under the VIN, what if Wayne integrated a barcode reader into Term-Lab?
And also, how do you not see that Street class brings in new competitors?? I don't know of very many "newbies" that would jump right in and go into Super Street, or Extreme........Especially if they are kids that are still in high school, using mom, and dad's money, and or in college.
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quote:Originally posted by OkMariner: [QUOTE]Originally posted by QuadCam: [qb] So my proposal is EVERYTHING the same as 2003 with a 1 sub 1 amp lower class
and for the rookies, come get these guys, cause the lower class wil be just as competitive as it was in 2003 (just without the big names)
but I also agree with this too
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It wouldn't be like SS NW. You still have the cargo area restrictions for Street. and the battery limitation (as is currently used in street) really does limit how much power be generated. There are no magic amps out here. If so, you wouldn't see SS and EX guys stuffing their vehicles to the gills with batteries. Wayne has been over the battery issue before, and he believes (and knows) that the power in street is limited by the battery limits.
the only reason that I suggested a no-limit on woofers is so that the large vehicles, like suburbans, expedition, etc can be more competitive with the small vehicles. In a crx, I'm sure that 4 12s will be louder than 4 15s; there just isn't enough air space for the 15s and the port area.
2002 STREET 3-4 6th Place World Finals 2003 Street B 2nd Place Spring Break Nationals Posts: 1702 | From: Vero Beach, FL | Registered: Jul 2001
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First off I am totally against a Pro-Street class because it is pointless. The CRX is figured out BOTTOM LINE!!! Rookies such as Mike Blanchfield(spelling?) came within .2 of Kevin and .7 of Alfaros, they worked their butts off to get where they were at finals. Anyone can do it if they are willing to spend the time and money on it. The street cars and the Pro-Street would be using the same cars and equipment. I say that there would be a .2-.5 difference. Who knows Street might beat Pro-Street if the rules are the exact same.
How do you inforce this??? YOU CANT!!!!!!!
My team is going to have a few cars out this year so what if we have more then one street vechicle? Are we all suppose to run Pro-Street even if its not the same car? Cause I can make another car just as loud and I wont be in Pro-Street...
If Pro-Street happens the rules need to be the EXACT same as street. Keep the headunits and changers in the car. WHY? IT IS A STREET VECHICLE!!!
-------------------- Blake Gordon Team B.Y.O.B. 2000 Jeep Wrangler 2003-DB Drag Finals 4th Place-154.3 2003-DB Drag 3rd Place Points Champion 2003-H.O. Alt. Street Rookie of the Year Posts: 243 | From: Midwest | Registered: Jun 2003
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After reconsidering it, I would have to maybe disagree with the unlimited amp rule, I think that BYOB is right in that it would make people want to circumvent the rules to stay in a cheaper class. Maybe we should just keep it simple and have the same amp requirements but make sure they are enforced this year, we didn't really seem to have problems with it so why change it. The point that BYOB is missing is that not everyone has the resources that Mike and you guys did to get your car to that point. When I started I had to learn everything by myself, I didn't have any direction what so ever which is what the new person usually runs into. Keep making it come off like you guys did it by yourselves but that is so far from the truth. Just stating a fact. P.S. My cd changer didn't skip on me in a compeition all year so I guess I figured it out a long time ago
-------------------- KCG Team Maxxsonics Posts: 1425 | From: Centralia, IL | Registered: Apr 2001
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: Keep making it come off like you guys did it by yourselves but that is so far from the truth. Just stating a fact. P.S. My cd changer didn't skip on me in a compeition all year so I guess I figured it out a long time ago
Ummm...Kevin please do not insinuate that we lie, or are not the ones responsible for the Jeeps showing. We put MANY man hours into it, and at this point would say as many as ANY street compititor.
How many Jeeps have you ever seen at finals? Or competitive. The design and install was done ALL by us. Yes we did have help via communications with some KNOWLEDGABLE people. Some ideas worked, others didn't. I cnosdier all ideas help ...yes. But if you are implying that anyone laid a finger on that Jeep besides the 3 of us..then you got a lot to learn. If talking to people is wrong, then people better shut down the forum.
You didn't invent the ported box, so you had some help as well. Heck, you didn't even invent 29x29x14.
-------------------- Chris TEAM B.Y.O.B. - "Bring Your Own Bass" 154.3 DB - JEEP WRANGLER!! (non-crx, non-crx box...thinking outside the box) 2003 DB DRAG WORLD FINALS - 4TH PLACE STREET B 2003 H-O ALTERNATORS STREET ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 2003 DB DRAG 3RD PLACE POINTS CHAMPION - 247 POINTS SAME CAR
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Let's try to get back to the topic! We were making some progress.
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2002 STREET 3-4 6th Place World Finals 2003 Street B 2nd Place Spring Break Nationals Posts: 1702 | From: Vero Beach, FL | Registered: Jul 2001
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i say let the HU be outside for ProStreet, keep all other rules the same and take away the points from regular Street Class.
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it allows the new guys a place to be competive and have fun and be able to go to finals,
the more street classes the better...keep in mind street is the largest number competitors combined and still has the smallest number of classes
it seems the only one against this is BYOB
why...arent we trying to get new competitors...i personally didnt compete dbdrag my first year as i wasnt knowledgeable enough, i didnt have a team, and didnt have the right vehicle...otheriwise i would just go to shows and get my butt kicked...A LOT of people feel that well....so what did i do...B-Stock in usaci...its designed for first year competitiors and worked out great while all the big names were in superstock
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