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Well i think that only the top 8 should move up...so if you make brackets than you must more up...but if we had a prostreet A & B as well as the current A & B the move up rule would only apply to the street....not to prostreet...as it was about 50% of those who were told they had to move up did without any problems...so if it is down to only the top 8 i think it would work out...even if they just built a car for there G/F or a freind instead of moving out of street class it would still be adding some new blood to the mix........and with a prostreet class (podiums, burp buttons and such..) there would be a stepping stone to SS class.....
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Maybe a rule such as The competitor who's name is registered as competing must operate the system while in the lanes.. this would at least help out a tad i think but not solve the overall problem..
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I really do think that most of the people will be honest and move up as long as there is another street class waiting for them to play in. Its seems to me that for the most part seasoned competitors stayed out of USACIs basic stock classes this year which was formed as an entry level class to get new competitors to stay away from the so called pros(the same thing I see this trying to do). It seemed to work very very well over there and there were alot more stock competitors this year. Now, you will always have shops who help people and or professionals helping people in the class but that is to be expected, you can't just tell people no I won't help you out when there is friendship and or money involved, but it will still get new people involved in dbdragracing regardless of who is helping them, and therefore put more money into the sport and stores/manufactures. I don't see any of the top calibar street competitors really wanting to compete in that class year in and year out and if someone really tried to stay in it after 1 year, I think the riducule and embarresment would be enough to get them out. If not I think it would only be like 1 or two people trying to get around the rule but I guess I just don't really believe anyone would need to do that(maybe I'm nieve). Even in 2002 there were only like 2 or 3 that got around the move up rule but I know for a fact that none of them would have done it if they had somewhere else to go like an upper pro street. These are my thoughts, I really like this idea though. Now can I have my cdplayer outside the car
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I see no point in have a street and pro-street. Because one year for now, you will have people saying "so-so" basically built that car and they just had thier "owner" burp it. I mean how hard is it to burp the dang car , (honestly I don't know..I only did it once ).
And when it comes time for finals, I would be hard pressed to believe that their will be more than 0.5 db separating the street and pro-street cars (everything else being equal, as it should or it will give people reasin to NOT move up).
For example, #3 and #4 in STREET B were TRUE rookies, and they faired well with EXPERIENCED street guys.
I much rather see an enrty level class in Street and Super Street (Street with one sub, and amp...and SS-1).
Just my opinion!!!
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quote:Originally posted by OkMariner: I see no point in have a street and pro-street. Because one year for now, you will have people saying "so-so" basically built that car and they just had thier "owner" burp it. I mean how hard is it to burp the dang car , (honestly I don't know..I only did it once ).
And when it comes time for finals, I would be hard pressed to believe that their will be more than 0.5 db separating the street and pro-street cars (everything else being equal, as it should or it will give people reasin to NOT move up).
For example, #3 and #4 in STREET B were TRUE rookies, and they faired well with EXPERIENCED street guys.
I much rather see an enrty level class in Street and Super Street (Street with one sub, and amp...and SS-1).
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I personally support an upper and lower street classes like the suggested street and prostreet but I guess the problem is the move up rule since some poeople will get around it just to win a world finals trophy.
So how do you solve that? Don't let them go to world finals! I'd like to see these regional finals enacted, something like a 3x event catered to these "street" people that have daily driving stereos. It doesn't even have to consist of a million regions. It could be something simple like west coast, east coast and midwest for example. It would still hold the prestige of being a champion for the newbie to be bit by the spl bug while at the same time not prestigious enough to cause a cheater to move around the move up rule just to win.
This also makes more sense as far as budget. If we are trying to attract new people with everyday normal stereo people that have spent $1000 on their stereo. So why force them to pay $500 just to attend world finals(registration, hotel, etc.) when you could have a $50 3x show for them where they can still get mad respect in their own reigion? just a thought....
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in the beginning steve i talked about a maditory vehicle move up... not all of us have 50 cousins we can let use the vehicle for a season... sure you can use it at the season, but we had to give all our vehicle info at finals, find all those things that we had to give at finals and check the vehicles number at each show or only at finals.
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Remove the points system from the entry level division(s). Without points accrual, the seasoned competitors would have little to gain from competitng in the entry level division(s).
If the entry level division(s) should be eligible for World Finals, then base the invite from the highest scores only. Filter through the invite list, and eliminate any names which have competed prior to the 2004 season.
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First of all, there is no solid way of enforcing this type of problem. However, there are a few things that can be done to help reduce the problem greatly.
Rule: Any individual competing in the "new" street class must control the audio system during a competition and the vehicle must be owned, insured, and registered by this person. Furthermore, said owner must not be currently employed or supported within the audio industry.
Rule: Any individual/team employed or supported by the audio industry found competing in the "new" street class will be subject to suspension of eligibility to compete in the DbDRA. Suspensions will carry a minimum of 3yrs. for competitors that qualified for world finals and a minimum of 5yrs. for competitors that placed in the top 8 at finals. Note that suspension includes the competitor and/or entire team involved and their respective vehicles.
Rule: All vehicles in the "new" street class will be subject to proof of compliance with above said rules at all competitions.
I know these rules are not perfectly said, but I think these two areas should at least be addressed in some form. Also, I am not sure if the suspension time frames are appropriate. Maybe there should be a suspension of one year for anybody/team found illegally competing in the "new" street class at any show.
Just a thought!
Later,
Jason Meyer
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quote:Originally posted by Sid Grice: Remove the points system from the entry level division(s). Without points accrual, the seasoned competitors would have little to gain from competitng in the entry level division(s).
If the entry level division(s) should be eligible for World Finals, then base the invite from the highest scores only. Filter through the invite list, and eliminate any names which have competed prior to the 2004 season.
Competed prior to the 2004 season, or gone to finals before the 2004 season??
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The main problem that I see is there is such a huge step from Street to Super Street... most street guys don't want to make that step... they don't wanna buy the extra thousands of dollars on amps and batteries... Especially after putting so much work into the system that is not going to work with tons more power. They also might not want to do all the modification needed to be competitive to their vehicle (not to mention the resale value thing). My competition vehicle doubles as my a daily driver and I don’t feel the need to do a cut thru just so I can not get my a** handed to me in a higher class... I think if there was a less radical step from street they might move up...
This will still not stop the pros from building a box for a buddy to cream the local competition. I just don't think that can be monitored...
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quote:Originally posted by SQLRanger: The main problem that I see is there is such a huge step from Street to Super Street... most street guys don't want to make that step... they don't wanna buy the extra thousands of dollars on amps and batteries... Especially after putting so much work into the system that is not going to work with tons more power. They also might not want to do all the modification needed to be competitive to their vehicle (not to mention the resale value thing). My competition vehicle doubles as my a daily driver and I don’t feel the need to do a cut thru just so I can not get my a** handed to me in a higher class... I think if there was a less radical step from street they might move up...
This will still not stop the pros from building a box for a buddy to cream the local competition. I just don't think that can be monitored...
I couldnt agree more! Hence why many people suggest a "pro-street"
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Honestly there is no way to keep the veterans out of the true 1st year rookie classes. I would limit power at 1000-2000wrms(combined amp rms power) at all certified events and measure power output, if they go over they get DQ. Measuring power is as simple as taking a voltage measurement that is already in place for SS and Extreme.
Now you ask, how is this gonna stop the pro's from competing in this class? Its not, you will never keep pro's out of any class ever. But you can bring the requirements down to a level where everyone can afford to compete and the winning factor is who had the better install, not who bought the biggest amp and had the best install.
I vote to bring the street class down to retail level. Where a retail stores customer/s or the store employees have to put the same hard work into their designs as the next guy to win.
Over the years,I have attended and held hundreds of shows, I have seen some vehicles that would be very competitive on a world scale but could not afford the power to get there. You see were I am comming from? Bring the street class back to the street and at a level everyone can afford(pro or rookie)
I would like to see street class focus on the blood, sweat and countless hours of testing, instead of that AND a sponsors budget. I would possibly add a class for a single 12 or 10" also.
-This way retailers will get more sales for the DIY and alot more install time building competition cars for customers who want to compete locally.
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: in the beginning steve i talked about a maditory vehicle move up... not all of us have 50 cousins we can let use the vehicle for a season... sure you can use it at the season, but we had to give all our vehicle info at finals, find all those things that we had to give at finals and check the vehicles number at each show or only at finals.
Buying another $1000 CRX and using all the pro's equipment is a simple, easy way around this one.
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#4 in STREET B were TRUE rookies, and they faired well with EXPERIENCED street guys.
If a true rookie can get 100 points, a top fifteen certified, and place #4 at finals, why do we need a move up rule? These guys held their own in a CRX dominated world with a Jeep and placed very well. If these guys can do it, why can't any so called "rookie" do it?
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The answer is that you cant! You cant do it, there is no way to really keep any pro Street guy out of an amatuer street division. Unless you give it no big build up or big prize. I dont like this idea but feel it is truely the only way to have an entry level playfield.
All I want and most people in Street that I know personely is the respect that comes with winning. If nothing big is made out of an entry level than the big dogs will not go there.
I say have a Street and a Pro Street. And when everyone says yes on this then we go into more detail as to what to do in each division.
Eric
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I may be way off but here goes.. why should you force someone to move up a level after they win @ finals or whatever IE, move up rules. why should you have done X amount of install work and have success and then have to step into a new class with new rules etc.. Im not attacking/defending anyone or anything ..just curious.. Joey
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quote:Originally posted by OkMariner: I see no point in have a street and pro-street. Because one year for now, you will have people saying "so-so" basically built that car and they just had thier "owner" burp it. I mean how hard is it to burp the dang car , (honestly I don't know..I only did it once ).
And when it comes time for finals, I would be hard pressed to believe that their will be more than 0.5 db separating the street and pro-street cars (everything else being equal, as it should or it will give people reasin to NOT move up).
For example, #3 and #4 in STREET B were TRUE rookies, and they faired well with EXPERIENCED street guys.
I much rather see an enrty level class in Street and Super Street (Street with one sub, and amp...and SS-1).
Just my opinion!!!
ok...so your running superstreet in 2004 right?
as kevin mentioned the basic stock and super stock worked out great for usaci....the true rookeies were able to enjoy competing and going to finals without getting their butts handed to them by street guys who have been around for awhile (by the way usaci has 11 street classes)...dbdrag knows these are the most profitable and contain the most competitors of all the classes combined
i think a street and pro-street would be great
it would allow the new guys to compete while the veterans beat on each other in the pro-street class
now sure there will be some people that will stay street that dont belong there....but it wont be the true crazy loud people who represent the sport well
myself for one had planned on doing superstreet...but i wont be able to afford it now and for a couple of other issues.....i am a second year competitor and took first place at usaci finals....i would almost feel guilty about running street against dbdrag rookies and beating them all the time (sure there are a few exceptions)
if dbdrag is truely set on getting new competitors and becoming more marketable then street is obviously where its at....
by the way i think if there is a pro-street it should have a little more incentive than standard street....perhaps pro-street can have podiums, more amps, etc
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