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The sponsorship rule in street has to go. It's not that I don't agree with it but it can't be enforced. If a rule can't be enforced it just makes for alot of contraversy and biotching.
quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: The sponsorship rule in street has to go. It's not that I don't agree with it but it can't be enforced. If a rule can't be enforced it just makes for alot of contraversy and biotching.
That is why there needs to be an actual "Street" Class with "Street" systems, that can play music as well as compete, and a Prostreet class where you could be sponsored and have been to finals.
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I agree with this idea and I feel that Wayne has set the tone for rules changes in his own post.
quote: Originally posted by Wayne Harris:
Classes cannot be based on anything that requires a database (such as price, power, brand, etc.) Distinctions must be objective and must be measureable by the judge. (For example 1 woofer, 2 woofers, Amp Height+Width+Depth, etc.)
I think we just need to come up with a good solution to what we feel is a problem.
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One of the street competitors is a shop owner. So yeah I agree, cause the explanation of him being able to be in street is because as long as he paid "full" price for his equipment then he was okay. That just isn't policeable, unless you are going to ask for a receipt from each competitor, and those of course can be fake, and a huge waste of time for the judges.
Although with the rules from 2003, and the way I think the rules are headed for 2004, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot differentiating Street and Super Street.
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quote:Originally posted by JeremyD: The whole sponsorship thing certainly does need to be cracked down upon.
I personally know of quite a few street competitors who are recieving MAJOR compensation from certain manufacturers.
I honestly can't think of a good way to crack down on this. But it needs to be addressed...
one way things can be enforced is brin it out in the open, post who where when, tell wayne and judeges
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quote:Originally posted by Team BIO-wives club: One of the street competitors is a shop owner. So yeah I agree, cause the explanation of him being able to be in street is because as long as he paid "full" price for his equipment then he was okay. That just isn't policeable, unless you are going to ask for a receipt from each competitor, and those of course can be fake, and a huge waste of time for the judges.
Although with the rules from 2003, and the way I think the rules are headed for 2004, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot differentiating Street and Super Street.
Being a newbie and (will be) first year competitor for 2004, I will not try to do anything but suggest some ideas, if I overstep any boundaries let me know... I was under the impression street is for novices, ameteurs and non-sponsored enthusiasts.. Not too go to far overboard, but how can a shop owner have a vehicle in street? But I agree in that this looks like a tough rule to enforce... whats to say the son of the owner of a shop, gets mucho dinero off his purchase of products... Its not sponsoring per se, I think maybe the term sponsored needs redefined in the rules... as all thats said is: "Sponsored vehicles are not permitted in the Street Division"
"Sponsored – If a competitor receives any form of compensation for promoting an auto sound related product, company, or service, then the competitor is said to be sponsored." Seems like there are ways around this...
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A street car plays music right. So I think we should make a street car play a sweep from 80 hz to 35 hz. And take a average of the score. That keeps 1 note wonders out of street and it makes it harder subs cant take the power that long. I think it would be more street car fair.mabey make mini street national classes but make them play the sweep!
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This rule is there for a reason but I agree that it can't be enforced. I also don't agree that a shop owner CAN'T compete in this class because I can get equipment at or below dealer cost if I don't have a dealer in my area. I just bought my APX 12's this way. I am going to have to agree with mini-street going to finals and doing the sweep! I don't like the idea in street but mini-street it could work. The only thing is that it would have to be a mandatory class and have set rules. Who wants to wade through that mess?
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quote:Originally posted by Team BIO-wives club: One of the street competitors is a shop owner. So yeah I agree, cause the explanation of him being able to be in street is because as long as he paid "full" price for his equipment then he was okay.
For this reason I say remove the Rule. What it basiclly came down to was a "Loophole" and once that Competitor realized if he used the word of the rules and not play by the Spirit of the rules he had found a way to make it to finals.
That and the fact he couldn't hang with the Super Street 1-2 or 3-4 cars at Finals probably made him realize somewhere in May of this year to Switch to a Street Class.
As I remember this same competitor had a vehicle that came "Stock" with no jumpseats just when that rule was really being scrutinized .
quote:Originally posted by Team BIO-wives club: One of the street competitors is a shop owner. So yeah I agree, cause the explanation of him being able to be in street is because as long as he paid "full" price for his equipment then he was okay.
For this reason I say remove the Rule. What it basiclly came down to was a "Loophole" and once that Competitor realized if he used the word of the rules and not play by the Spirit of the rules he had found a way to make it to finals.
That and the fact he couldn't hang with the Super Street 1-2 or 3-4 cars at Finals probably made him realize somewhere in May of this year to Switch to a Street Class.
As I remember this same competitor had a vehicle that came "Stock" with no jumpseats just when that rule was really being scrutinized .
People will always find away around the rules.
There needs to be a rule like USACi, that if you are in the industry at all, then you go into Pro-Street class. That means if you work for a shop, if you own a shop, Etc.
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I agree that this sponsorship thing should be removed. Also I think that all classes that go to finals should be able to be sponsored.
If you are trying to be the loudest in the world in any class your going to do all you can to do it. The sponsorship rule seems to be the easy advantage with the biggest loop hole and it only applies to street classes.
Now, I like the idea of amateur and pro street classes but if the amateur street classes are not allowed to be sponsored then as above stated, they should not go to finals. These classes should more closely resemble a mini-street division with this exception:
We start having regional finals. All amateur(non-sponsored) street competitors that have accrued a certain amount of points a certain score(like finals) should be allowed to go to their respective regional final.
This will help solve several problems 1.There will be many regional finals throughout the world so a manufacturer is much less likely to drop $ into a car that will not get a large amount of worldwide recognition.
2.Eliminates the problem of mini-street not getting recognition. Although a company could care less whether or not your car is the loudest in 3 states this system would definately encourage the newbie to come into the sport and to continue to make an attempt at world finals in years to come. It's going to be much easier to be competitive in a 3state region then in the entire world.
3. Move up rule should definately be applied to anyone that has ever been to finals before and in the future this would include regional finals. This would help out the region of the midwest where a lot of people in street are so loud that the newbie coming in would have basically no chance of making brackets at a street regional final.
Sorry for such a long post, just my thoughts
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what if a level 2 ss3-4 competitor decides he doesnt want to go through all the trouble of trailering their vehicle anymore. They sell their stuff and do a street-b car. keep in mind the competitor only got competitor discounts. i think they should be able to compete in street classes...therefor there should be an amateur and Pro street class
quote:Originally posted by xsavyor1: A street car plays music right. So I think we should make a street car play a sweep from 80 hz to 35 hz. And take a average of the score. That keeps 1 note wonders out of street and it makes it harder subs cant take the power that long. I think it would be more street car fair.mabey make mini street national classes but make them play the sweep!
then we just build a multiple order enclosure
what about bandpass enclosures
lets just get LOUD
only restrict things that are restrictable...you cant restrict sponsorship because it can go on under the table (how many people at finals in stret actually paid retail for anything..lol)
batteries, subs, amps, etc...only phsical things can truly be judged fairly....everything else is free game
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Team Bio Rick and others - who knows every installer? beacause Im sure as hell dont think the judges do, and if somone is goingto cheat he is allready a liar therefore he wont tell you he is. IMO THE RULE MUST STAY......I have a lot of good feed back in south Africa, you might not feel in countries where there are more competitors.
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