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I feel banning quads is also a way for some companys to save money, by not sending people so many x odd amps. With these savings i do see companys having more moeny to sponsor other competitors, which is a good thing. But what would be ideal is if some of these companys take a step further to support dbdrag a little better, sponsor some shows/multipointers, to areas where multipointers are hurting.
I really flew off the handle at first when i heard about this, but i now give my full support to getting rid of quads. But not for the reasons that was listed like saving comeptitors money, they aren't sold everyday, etc. I must keep in mind that this is not my dbdrag but our dbdrag, and i fully support this if companys reinvest some of that savings into dbdrag and/or competitors. For most companies, saving 2 amps they do not have to ship out is enough to pay for a multipointer event to be sanctioned.
For quite a bit of people this is going to be difficult and expensive to replace all their woofers, there are alot of people who have quad coil recone kits that they have paid for and will pretty much have no use for. I think it is great you have been able to have companys rally around for 1/2 price on quad to dual recones, it really shows that this is going in the right direction.
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This looks all well and good when you say it, but the cold hard truth is that its not gonna happen.
The manufacturers will keep spending their money just the way they were. Oly now instead of sending people 4-8 amps per woofer, they will just be sending them 2 giant big $$$ amps. They'll still be spending money all the same way. This really doesnt change that...
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Exactly. This rule doesn't actually address any of Wayne's stated concerns.
"Banning quad coil subwoofers" does not correlate to how much money is spent in car audio. "Banning quad coil subwoofers" does not correlate to competitors using more 'standard' equipment, because it motivates them to demand very non-standard, high-demand, high-dollar amplifiers... a much more expensive one-off competition-specific product than quad-coil woofers are.
If you have a competitor currently running two strapped 1000w amps per voice coil on a quad coil sub, and quad coils are now banned, do you think that competitor is going to settle for just running 4000 watts this upcoming season, rather than 8000 watts?
Or, the better point would be.... Do you think ALL competitors will just settle for running half the power they previously had?
Because if ALL competitors don't... If even SOME competitors DO opt to buy single, high-dollar, massive monster amps... Then you've again got a scenario where in order to compete with THOSE competitors, you'll HAVE to purchase one of those high-dollar, massive monster amps also.
This rule actually promotes the manufacture of huge, one-off, non-standard monster amps, that will undoubtedly cost more money. That's counterproductive to Wayne's stated goals... But that's what the rule incents...
This rule actually creates a scenario where the sport actually gets MORE "elitist"..
This rule actually creates the scenario where the enthusiast needs to spend MORE money than they previously did, simply to accomplish the same power/output that they had previously.
And the implementation of this rule - primarily with such short notice (for 2004 season, rather than 2005, for example) is actually going to really be harming existing competitors - whether they are beginner or advanced.
I'm failing to see what the benefits are, in fact? Particularly... in the scope of Wayne's stated concerns, both for the hobby and the industry.
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I still fail to see the validity of some peoples arguement that this will just push people to buy bigger amps. There is nothing stopping anyone from running four huge amps per quad, now they will have to reduce that to two huge amps per dual. So now with your theory that if some went out and picked up four huge amps per quad, and everyone had to do the same to remain competitive, then everyone would have to go out and get those high dollar huge amps. In the process they would have to buy four per woofer instead of two, so either way that you look at it the competitors and the manufacturors sponsoring people will be saving money.
With all of this said, I personally think that quads should NOT be banned in the extreme classes. Extreme is more often then not for the DB Drag elite and they should not be hampered by this rule, they should be allowed to continually push the envelope of what can be done with a stereo.
quote:Originally posted by loud_aurora: With all of this said, I personally think that quads should NOT be banned in the extreme classes. Extreme is more often then not for the DB Drag elite and they should not be hampered by this rule, they should be allowed to continually push the envelope of what can be done with a stereo.
I agree....in the end quads should still be in ex class..i think ex needs to be more extreme...
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quote:Originally posted by loud_aurora: I still fail to see the validity of some peoples arguement that this will just push people to buy bigger amps. There is nothing stopping anyone from running four huge amps per quad, now they will have to reduce that to two huge amps per dual.
Yes there is something limiting it!!! A woofer can only take so much power before it folds!
The big name guys will still be running the same ammount of power they always have! Only now, the little guys will no longer be able to afford to have this same ammount of power since it can only be obtained through multi thousand dollar amps.
quote:Originally posted by loud_aurora: I still fail to see the validity of some peoples arguement that this will just push people to buy bigger amps. There is nothing stopping anyone from running four huge amps per quad, now they will have to reduce that to two huge amps per dual. So now with your theory that if some went out and picked up four huge amps per quad, and everyone had to do the same to remain competitive, then everyone would have to go out and get those high dollar huge amps. In the process they would have to buy four per woofer instead of two, so either way that you look at it the competitors and the manufacturors sponsoring people will be saving money.
With all of this said, I personally think that quads should NOT be banned in the extreme classes. Extreme is more often then not for the DB Drag elite and they should not be hampered by this rule, they should be allowed to continually push the envelope of what can be done with a stereo.
its like this, you run 4 jbls on a quad coil, that sub is going to blow, i don't care what sub it is. you have to burp for about 3 seconds in db. well you lose a few db, sure you might be loud for a little while, then you get to replace subs, and when you are in elimination rounds, and half your subs blow up within the 1st second, your score will go down, and you will lose. didn't this happen to delapaz this year. it will teach you real quickly to moderate your power...
sure there are people that say i hit a 175, but if you do that at finals, and no one is within 1-2 db of you in your class and you lose... well lets just say it makes that person very unhappy. only a seasoned competitor will tell you this, not an upstart.
and this is to nick, i had a bad woofer at finals, i don't drop much running 1/2 power, and i don't have the amps yet, so until i do...
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