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I know this might seem kind of petty in light of everything else going on but I was wondering if we could have a bit different of a layout in the rulebook.
I know some people that downloaded the rules off of the Internet and got confused in the layout and how the rules for different classes applied.
Can we have a listing of the street rules all grouped together, the superstreet all grouped together and the extreme all grouped together?
I also wonder if we could lay out the book so it would be a bit easier for people to locate what they are looking for? I spent about 20 min at a show trying to find the rule about all cars in a class must qualify in the same lane. I still ,after reading and rereading the rules, have not been able to find any information about mic placement except in regards to the references to the mic jig in the rulebook. If the rulebook was organized a bit different it would be easier to find things quick and possibly head off a conflict at a show.
By having a rulebook setup like this then you could post rules for each division of classes separate and if someone is going to compete in street then they only get the rules for street. I think this would make it easier for people to understand what they are and are not allowed to do in their class. I think it would allow me to explain to people I build cars for what the class they are competing in actually allows without them looking at the extreme class rules.
I would also like to see the mini-street rules not all the way at the back of the rulebook this year.
Thank You for any comments
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LOL ok Steve I understand that but we almost had a huge fight over mic placement! We were told the jig was wrong,we were idiots, and Db Drags can't even put the rules in the rulebook. It got kinda ugly until I pulled the person to the side got my mic out of the car and showed him that no matter where I put the mic on the dash of his car he didn't get louder anyway.
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Once of the benefits of having the rules posted on the website, is that anyone can download the rules (cut and paste) and use a basic word processor program to reorganize them to their individual desire.
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Sid By doing that and then printing them I have been accused of changing the rules. When you have the rulebook from Db Drags it adds a bit to any argument that you have. If I print it out myself it usually seems shady to new competitors.
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That is one reason to be thankful that each section in numbered. If you use your printed version to quickly look up a rule, and someone suggest that you "doctored" the original, you can quickly find the same rule (by using the number system) to find the rule in the official rulebook. Also, if quick rule search is a must, you can create your own "cheat sheet" and glue it to the inside of the front page. A table of contents page may also be helpful.
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OK this may sound dumb but if people are already doing this on their own wouldn't it make sense to just have this in the official rule bokk and let everyone else benefit from what those have learned in the past?
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quote:Originally posted by Sid Grice: That is one reason to be thankful that each section in numbered. If you use your printed version to quickly look up a rule, and someone suggest that you "doctored" the original, you can quickly find the same rule (by using the number system) to find the rule in the official rulebook. Also, if quick rule search is a must, you can create your own "cheat sheet" and glue it to the inside of the front page. A table of contents page may also be helpful.
So you're saying that to make the rule book useable then people should walk around with 2 copies of it?
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Sure, why not. If a person has difficulty locating a specific rule, two or maybe three copies of the same rules may assist them. With multiple copies, one can be looking for a specific rule, while their friend locates the rule in a more timely fashion.
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The rules are layed out like they are for a reason. It's quite simple really. There are some rules that apply to all divisions, don't want to write them two or 3 times. They are grouped by what they regulate. If you don't understand something, I would suggest reading them more instead of wasting your time making posts about it. Better yet, get on the forum and ask a question, email a judge, call wayne!
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quote:Originally posted by Fortunz: Can someone tell me at least the logic as to why the mic placement isn't anywhere in the rulebook?
It doesn't need to be
What diference would there be between having sections based on class instead of the current modification,electrical,pasenger compartment?
Because rules would be have to written more than one time for the different classes. If you cannot decipher the rules, maybe you shouldn't compete.
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quote:Originally posted by Fortunz: Can someone tell me at least the logic as to why the mic placement isn't anywhere in the rulebook?
What diference would there be between having sections based on class instead of the current modification,electrical,pasenger compartment?
Read the Q & A section...
quote:Question – How should the microphone jig be used to ensure proper microphone placement in the vehicle?
Answer – The long arm of the mic jig should be horizontal and parallel to the ground. The vertical part of the mic jig should be perpendicular (straight up) with respect to the ground. At this point, you have positioned the mic horizontally and vertically. The final step is to place the tip of the mic capsule 1 inch away from the windshield. Without moving the placement of the mic, rotate the bottom of the jig until the 1" bumper touches the glass. At this point, the short leg of the jig should be parallel to the glass. Then, carefully slide the mic towards the glass until it is flush with the mic jig.
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Ok here is a big issue with mic placement. I went to a few shows that have wood jigs made for mic placement. How do you verify the correct placement?
When I bought my meter I was told that the jig was no longer used. I asked again at finals about purchasing a jig and was again told that the jig is no longer in use.
How am I supposed to properly make a jig to use or where can I get a Db Drags jig?
With all the USB set-ups that are going to be sold to members of other orgs and since I had no luck getting a jig from Db Drags shouldn't we try to help the people that may be coming into our org with the dimensions for the jig? I believe that the meters shipped to MECA will be on stands. How can these people make a jig for their systems?
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MECA is an outlaw format, they don't need a jig. You can purchase a jig from the online storefront, or by calling the db drag office.
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Ok I ordered one with my meter,it didn't ship. I called Db Drags and was told they would be at finals anlong with sensors. I asked at finals and was told that jigs were no longer in use with the new sensor. I asked the person in the booth to verify this and I would come back Sunday. I came back Sunday and was again told that I couldn't purchase a jig.
Why is the measurement of mic placement a secret? Why is this something that doesn't need to be in the rulebook? Why are we the only org that doesn't show this in the rulebook?
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i agree on the rule book layout, it should be broken down by classes. and nothing needs to be written 3 times, there can be a general sections which includes things that are same for all the classes. that way u only write it once. And by the way, if u read the rule book, there are things written in there twice already.
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Why is the measurement of mic placement a secret? Why is this something that doesn't need to be in the rulebook? Why are we the only org that doesn't show this in the rulebook?
IT ISN'T A SECRET, IT IS IN THE RULE BOOK, IF YOU WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE POST YOU WOULD KNOW THAT
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I've read the rule book cover to cover. It's actually my only reading material for when one sits on the commode...lol
A reorganization would be nice, and an INDEX essential. (I dont think it has an index now, but Im not at home to check either...)
The opening of the rule book could start out with a GENERAL RULES section that would apply to Street, Superstreet, and Extreme.
From there do a class by class break down (only printing the differences in each class) under each division heading with specific rules for that division directly under that heading.
This format would keep one from reprinting rules even one time, keep organization, and lower printing costs.
ie - General Rules
general rules that govern all of db drag and all classes
STREET DIVISION
Rules pertaining to the whole street division here
Street A
4 discrete unbridged channels or 2 bridged
1 battery in stock location
etc
Street B
8 discrete unbridged channels or 4 bridged
1 battery in stock location + 1 extra
etc
SUPER STREET DIVISION
Rules pertaining to the whole super street division here
SS1
rules rules rules
Rules?? We dont need no stinkin' rules!!
etc
SS1-2nw
blah blah blah
etc
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