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I am glad to see that "discussions" are still alive and well.
Glad I could be of some assistance.
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Fifteen time SPL World Champions-----26 SPL World Records DB Drag == IASCA == USACi == MECA Posts: 3484 | From: Retirement Village in Branson Missouri. | Registered: May 1999
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: 16v battery set up with equal Ah is actually cheaper with 16v set ups, buying 8v batteries. some amps do not like 16v, some do, some of us have to run a 12v line from the front just to use our head unit, some can use their 12v from the back, its all preference and what you feel comfortable doing.
yellow top is 55ah, standard 8v is 165 ah, 3 times the Ah power, that means a 12v set up with 3 yellow tops would equal the Ah of 2 8v for a 16v set up, 16= cheaper. next we got those sp1700 batteries, those are what 72 Ah each? roughly 2 1/4 of them equal the 16v set up of 2 8v, again 16v cheaper.
Good observation but your specs may vary depending on the manufacturer.I guess your right, I was thinkin the price of Turbo Starts,$171 each from speed unlimited store.I just got back from autozone they sell an 8 volt450cca batt for $31 bucks!!! series two to 16volts and thats $62 far cry for what I paid for the optimas $119 each!but still thats from a non 12volt industry type retailer.......damn I'm back to zero on why 16volt batts should be bannedI guess I was in favor of 12volt batts becuase it's a 12 volt industry? 12volt retailers need to trim down their prices!
The automotive industry is heading towards higher voltage operating systems anyway. 12 volts will be a thing of the past sooner or later and audio manufacturers are already making prototype amplifiers and head units for the higher voltage systems. DB Drag must follow the automotive market as well and make rules that will allow DB Drag to move in that direction in the future instead of having to re-vamp the rules when these cars start hitting the street. In other words, to ban high voltage systems is extremely counter productive in many respects. Leave it alone in super street and extreme, and think about the future of street when these cars start rolling off the assembly line.
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my suggestions in this rules discussion forum have nothing to do with trying to make rules that make things easier on me or anyone. they are all about what i feel is right. my opinion. my voice. and no matter what you say jared i will speak my voice. if something is happening and i wish to stand against the masses, then i will alone if i must. thats the type of person i am. i feel that dbdrag rules should not reflect what will be someday. i feel that they should reflect what is today. and today, 99% of the automotive industry is 12volt.
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hey geo, try telling that to OHIO GENERATOR HIGH OUTPUT ALTS TURBOSTART AUDIO AND ALL OF THE AMP MANUFACTURERS THAT HAVE SPENT TIME TO MAKE THERE AMPS WORK ON 16 VOLTS!!!
OH yeah, last time i read the rules and every year i can remember 18 volts has been the limit NOT 16.
YEAH THIS IS MY VOICE ,MY OPINION!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!
-------------------- AUDIO X TEAM KINETIK TEAM MAXXSONICS TEAM OHIO GENERATOR T3 AUDIO TEAM BUDWIESER Posts: 3655 | From: Florence, al | Registered: Oct 1999
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quote:Originally posted by Geo-X: my suggestions in this rules discussion forum have nothing to do with trying to make rules that make things easier on me or anyone. they are all about what i feel is right. my opinion. my voice. and no matter what you say jared i will speak my voice. if something is happening and i wish to stand against the masses, then i will alone if i must. thats the type of person i am. i feel that dbdrag rules should not reflect what will be someday. i feel that they should reflect what is today. and today, 99% of the automotive industry is 12volt.
i have no problem with you speaking your voice, but try to understand the difference between dbdrag's benefit and your own benefit. every person in nw should conform to your standards falls on the lines of your own benefit. maybe i am wrong...
quote: hey geo, try telling that to OHIO GENERATOR HIGH OUTPUT ALTS TURBOSTART AUDIO AND ALL OF THE AMP MANUFACTURERS THAT HAVE SPENT TIME TO MAKE THERE AMPS WORK ON 16 VOLTS!!!
OH yeah, last time i read the rules and every year i can remember 18 volts has been the limit NOT 16.
YEAH THIS IS MY VOICE ,MY OPINION!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!
man, if i was half as passionate about this issue as you are against it, i might acually get somewhere. danny, i have alot of respect for you being an old veteran at this sport. i would like to keep it that way. i never had a problem with the voltage limit. but if we get there, let's do it with altenators. i appreciate you speaking your mind on the matter.
jarfunkz, if i wanted everyone in nw to conform to my standards, then everyone would have to see how loud they can get running sealed box, 12vdc, one alt, 6 batteries, and below poverty income. fortunatly for everyone, such is not the case. i do not know why you have it in your head that i am trying to conform any class to my own standards for some type of personal gain. perhaps you can quote me on the passage where you felt i suggested such. in the mean time, know this. any suggestion i have made is in my opinion for the betterment of dbdragracing as a whole. not for gene alexander, and not for jared. if i am soo wrong, then why do you guys feel soo strongly against what i say? if i am wrong, then dismiss me as an idiot and ignore my posts like you do to all the newbies. if there is nothing wrong with 16volt setups, then open it up to street aswell. until then, rest assured that even wayne knows it's not right.
-------------------- Team Livewire Posts: 2199 | From: columbus, ohio | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Geo-X: man, if i was half as passionate about this issue as you are against it, i might acually get somewhere. danny, i have alot of respect for you being an old veteran at this sport. i would like to keep it that way. i never had a problem with the voltage limit. but if we get there, let's do it with altenators. i appreciate you speaking your mind on the matter.
jarfunkz, if i wanted everyone in nw to conform to my standards, then everyone would have to see how loud they can get running sealed box, 12vdc, one alt, 6 batteries, and below poverty income. fortunatly for everyone, such is not the case. i do not know why you have it in your head that i am trying to conform any class to my own standards for some type of personal gain. perhaps you can quote me on the passage where you felt i suggested such. in the mean time, know this. any suggestion i have made is in my opinion for the betterment of dbdragracing as a whole. not for gene alexander, and not for jared. if i am soo wrong, then why do you guys feel soo strongly against what i say? if i am wrong, then dismiss me as an idiot and ignore my posts like you do to all the newbies. if there is nothing wrong with 16volt setups, then open it up to street aswell. until then, rest assured that even wayne knows it's not right.
ditto..........
-------------------- In Loving Memory, David Alfaro
2008 US.Top Cert.Street C 158.4 2008 25-48 No-wall NSPL World Champion,World Record 159.0 2007 U.S.Top Cert. Street A,B,C 2005 Db Drag Street A World Champion 2004 Db Drag US. record 642 points 2003 Db Drag Points World Champion http://www.maxxsonics.com/
Back in 02 my girlfriend said I had to make a choice between her and DB Drag....I told that b-tch I've made harder decisions at the Coke machine. Posts: 4141 | From: Suitland,MD USA | Registered: Sep 2001
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well it looks like banning 16 volt set-ups would outrage more competitors than banning quads.....hmmm what about banning some amps? to bann this you gonna have to bann that,to bann that you gonna have to bann this.......with all the rule changes over the years I wonder why some competitors wouldn't adapt to some new rules now?hmmmmmm.......
-------------------- In Loving Memory, David Alfaro
2008 US.Top Cert.Street C 158.4 2008 25-48 No-wall NSPL World Champion,World Record 159.0 2007 U.S.Top Cert. Street A,B,C 2005 Db Drag Street A World Champion 2004 Db Drag US. record 642 points 2003 Db Drag Points World Champion http://www.maxxsonics.com/
Back in 02 my girlfriend said I had to make a choice between her and DB Drag....I told that b-tch I've made harder decisions at the Coke machine. Posts: 4141 | From: Suitland,MD USA | Registered: Sep 2001
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quote:Originally posted by THE-SCRAPER: well it looks like banning 16 volt set-ups would outrage more competitors than banning quads.....hmmm what about banning some amps? to bann this you gonna have to bann that,to bann that you gonna have to bann this.......with all the rule changes over the years I wonder why some competitors wouldn't adapt to some new rules now?hmmmmmm.......
an amp bann of any sort will not happen..only one amp has even been banned and i would bet that is the only one that will even be....the amps that would be in question are produced by two manufacturers that are very big supporters of DB Drag..so i do not see anything happening to those amps......i'm sure we all know the amps in question....
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Wishful thinking on banning 16volt batteries. That is really not the issue here. The class changes will have a major impression on the consumer not any of you guy's thats been around for awhile. Other than making some classes smaller and get rid of the grey areas. So you guy's can dream all you want about 16vlts disapearing for awhile. Thats my scoop on things. My predictions are pretty good every year ask Shaker.
-------------------- The Founder of the Florida Db Drag Racing Team Bassboy173-Ed Eason IDBL World Record Holder 2271+ 2001 and 2002 Florida State Champion Extreme 13+ The Worlds Loudest Driving Vehicle Posts: 490 | From: st. petesburg,Florida | Registered: Jul 1999
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I noticed that the scores on a few ss and extreme classes are very close. Add to this that in these classes there are few competitors and it makes sense to combine a few classes to provide increased competitor numbers per category and to make room for the new entry class. Yet why do I feel that everyone is going to say no?
A real life issue: There are more under twenty grand cars than expensive Porsches or Murcielagoes. Therefore the more the equipment costs the less examples that there are. So instead of instantly doing something about the Zapco amp issue they decided to go for two amps in Street A in 2003.(yes,now it has been dealt with,but why the two year wait?) The result: 45 percent "LESS" competitors in this season at comps versus last year here in Mexico. Just giving another reason as to why a real entry category is required. Thank you.
-------------------- You are what you read. Un happy with your life? Change what you read. Change what you are. Posts: 206 | From: Nobodys damn business but mine | Registered: Jun 2002
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street A...:...one12" max one amp, one extra batt. no extra alternator, no power limit on the amp, only 12 volt bat, 1 farad cap
street B...:... two 12", ore one 15" two amp's no extra alternator no power limit on the amp's 2 extra batt. 2 farad cap
make a new official class for the guy's who play in a sedan now it's called" mini street", make it oficial , you have than a class where every boddy have the same shape of car regulations are simpel...:...everything goes, aslong as is it fits/sits/stay in the trunk, no batt. limitation's no sub limitations(exept qvc...) no amp limitations only one alternator, everything below 16volt... give this class a NAME...:...(maybe street C...???...)
leave no-wall, exept trow a limit to the voltage lets say from 18 down to 16 volt
leave the rest as is is, ban qvc, leave them in extreme, the word says it...:...EXTREME
nah that is my opinion...but... we will wait en see...
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What about a standard cab pick-up class. These guys dont stand a chance against cars? I have plenty of friends who have bad-ass systems in trucks but cant compete.
-------------------- Keeping it real. REAL LOUD THAT IS!! Posts: 205 | From: aurora. MO | Registered: Apr 2003
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quote:Originally posted by k-otic24-7: What about a standard cab pick-up class. These guys dont stand a chance against cars? I have plenty of friends who have bad-ass systems in trucks but cant compete.
The problem is you can not have a class for each type of car or truck....that would make for far more than the 12 or less classes that wayne wants....
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quote:Originally posted by THE-SCRAPER: to bann this you gonna have to bann that,to bann that you gonna have to bann this.......
Lets look into the future.... The year 2060....
dBDrag Rules for 2060 All competeing flying vehicles must be tied down during the runs. Street 1 - One 12" WHE sub / One 1000watt WHE amp / must use factory 80volt system. Street 2 - Two 12" WHE sub / Two 1000watt WHE amp / must use factory 60volt system. Super Street 1-5 - Up to Five 18" WHE sub / Unlimited amp and batteries / 160volt limit Super Street 5+ - Must use 6 or more WHE subs (any size) / Unlimited amp and batteries, but can only be WHE brand / 160 volt limit. Extreme Open - If you can afford the gas to haul your Extreme car you can run whatever you want!! **Note WHE = Wayne Harris Enterprizes
**ok, back to the year 2003**
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quote:Originally posted by THE-SCRAPER: to bann this you gonna have to bann that,to bann that you gonna have to bann this.......
Lets look into the future.... The year 2060....
dBDrag Rules for 2060 All competeing flying vehicles must be tied down during the runs. Street 1 - One 12" WHE sub / One 1000watt WHE amp / must use factory 80volt system. Street 2 - Two 12" WHE sub / Two 1000watt WHE amp / must use factory 60volt system. Super Street 1-5 - Up to Five 18" WHE sub / Unlimited amp and batteries / 160volt limit Super Street 5+ - Must use 6 or more WHE subs (any size) / Unlimited amp and batteries, but can only be WHE brand / 160 volt limit. Extreme Open - If you can afford the gas to haul your Extreme car you can run whatever you want!! **Note WHE = Wayne Harris Enterprizes
quote:Originally posted by k-otic24-7: What about a standard cab pick-up class. These guys dont stand a chance against cars? I have plenty of friends who have bad-ass systems in trucks but cant compete.
The problem is you can not have a class for each type of car or truck....that would make for far more than the 12 or less classes that wayne wants....
So why not: Extreme 1 Extreme 2 Extreme 4+
Super Street NW : two 15 inch subs.
SS 1 SS 2 SS 4+
Street Entry. Street A. Street B.
Ten classes total. Advantages: Full classes in every area. Less classes means less expenses for the promotors as there are less trophys to buy(and yes I am tired of seeing a single or three extreme competitors in the Extreme bracket at a comp).
Disadvantages: A few competitors upset that the 8+ category may be going the way of the 13+ category.
My humble request is that if there is little interest in a certain bracket then,please,combine them so that there are full brackets! Please forgive me saying so but I find it insulting to see someone get a first place trophy due to only a single competitor being in that bracket! Where is the take it to the limit attitude when there was no one to compete against? What if you went to a racing event at Nascar or Indy 500 and there was only one car? Please,please,please we need to combine some brackets with low competitor attendance. Thank you.
-------------------- You are what you read. Un happy with your life? Change what you read. Change what you are. Posts: 206 | From: Nobodys damn business but mine | Registered: Jun 2002
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