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If I remember right, Wayne said he wanted to get more people into this sport. The only way to do this is to make more restrictions in the classes that most new people would join(street and ss). Things like podiums and $2000+ amps in street, build downs and quad coils(read 8 amps per sub) in SS, is what is turning new people away. The focus around here needs to change from what the pros want, to what would give the new people a better chance.
Street NEEDS to be a STREET class!!! Make it a 30/60 second enduro, make them play a sweep(say 30-70HZ). Leave the cars off, that will keep the amp size down. Give the 2 seaters their own class, if my minivan/xcab truck HAS to fit more than 2 people in it, so should these cars.
Superstreet should not allow build downs, leave that for extreme. Banning quads will also keep the cost down for amps.
Extreme is just that, the Extreme side of the sport. Is there really a need for 5 extreme classes? The only real problem I see with the rules is the seating situation, there needs to be a jig or something that the competitor must be able to fit in the cab.
These are MY opinions, I know many of the seasoned competitors may not agree with them, but then again maybe they dont want any more compitition.
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what happens when new people see competitors blow subs after playing a 30 second enduro in street.. are they going to want to risk it? I dont think so..
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Why would a STREET system ever blow equiptment after 30 seconds? Its not like they are driving around everyday blowing subs. In drag racing most real-streetcar eliminations have a driving loop to seperate the REAL streetable cars from the track cars with plates. If you can't function as a street car with no problems then you can't win.
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i totally agree with the street thing if you want an entry class there it is and i partially agree w/ the ss class but like u said no build downs or cut throughs. but keep quads
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no cut throughs in super street. what about guys like me that have a regular cab truck with 4 12" woofers. i have to have a cut through. but yet i dont stand a chance in hell in ss. so i have to buy a different car before i start competing
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If a street car is to be played for that length of time. Keeping the engine off is unrealistic, not too mention, a street car is ran when playing on the street, not with the car off and killing the battery.
Yes I know you will run into the alternator issue..Sorry but I have always had the opinion that it doesnt take a rocket scientist to hook up a clamp on ampmeter and take a voltage reading. If the question of well what size alternator goes with which car, how about making the competitor responsible for providing "factory" proof of the alternators capabilities.
Making a seperate class for 2 seaters/minivans/etc wont work for the overall benefit, but it would for those without 2 seaters. As I was told 2 years ago, either do what it takes to get loud or go find another hobby. Oh and if you think a CRX should have to seat more than 2 people then maybe you should go back in time and tell honda to fix that issue. The CRX US model was NEVER designed for more than 2 people, same with the miata or the exp. Not too mention it doesnt take a CRX to be loud in street, I think more than a few people have proved this point already.
Oh and as far as some have said about not daily driving their street car. I personally drive my street A car daily with both amps in and both amps at the same ohm load I compete with. Call me crazy but I do it.
Street needs to be about the average guy as well as the competitor that wants to compete but not mortage his home to do so. Yes I have been in street a while, mainly because I cannot afford to go to a higher class. Do I have an advantage over the Newbie that comes in? Of course I do, does the veteran NASCAR driver have an advantage over the Rookie driver? You bet, but you don't see NASCAR making rules to make it easier on the rookies vs the vets. The simple fact is, NO TRUE newbie to this sport with NO help/prior knowledge is going to win without the DRIVE and EFFORT that most of us have put into this sport.
This is not to put down the newbie, this is simply a fact of the sport. If the newbie comes in and gets hammered by a vet and says, "I'm not wasting my time and money on that stuff again" well you know what? We don't need people of that nature in this sport. We need the dedicated, hard working, and good sportsmanship natured competitors for this sport to grow and mature into what we all want it to be.
I have kept quiet for the most part on the street discussions, simply because I put my faith in wayne. It's his competition body, and whatever he decides is best for it/manufacturers/retailers I will accept. However, if those changes/rules do not cooperate with my current economic/system outline, then I will merely step back, take another year off, but still remain a db drag member to show that even though I am not competing I truely love this sport and will give support even if not physically in the lanes.
These are my thoughts, take them as you will, good luck to all in the 2004 season and I hope to see you all in the lanes again soon!
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quote:Originally posted by -=ALL4SPL=-: If a street car is to be played for that length of time. Keeping the engine off is unrealistic, not too mention, a street car is ran when playing on the street, not with the car off and killing the battery.
I totally agree. You also failed to mention that running amps on low voltage can kill them.
quote:Originally posted by -=ALL4SPL=-: Yes I know you will run into the alternator issue..Sorry but I have always had the opinion that it doesnt take a rocket scientist to hook up a clamp on ampmeter and take a voltage reading. If the question of well what size alternator goes with which car, how about making the competitor responsible for providing "factory" proof of the alternators capabilities.
Why limit street to stock alts 99% of our bussiness is street beaters. High output alts are widely used on street cars already. It's not becuase street cars want to be louder, they need them to survive real world use.
quote:Why limit street to stock alts 99% of our bussiness is street beaters. High output alts are widely used on street cars already. It's not becuase street cars want to be louder, they need them to survive real world use.
Now that is a VERY good argument that I've never thought of before. Why not just limit Street cars to one alternator and limit the voltage to something like 15v peak... and run the cars in the lanes?
quote:Why limit street to stock alts 99% of our bussiness is street beaters. High output alts are widely used on street cars already. It's not becuase street cars want to be louder, they need them to survive real world use.
Now that is a VERY good argument that I've never thought of before. Why not just limit Street cars to one alternator and limit the voltage to something like 15v peak... and run the cars in the lanes?
My wifes explorer on stock alt will peak at 15.1 volts at the amp ...
Ford T-Birds stock alt will charge at 16 peak
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: what happens when new people see competitors blow subs after playing a 30 second enduro in street.. are they going to want to risk it? I dont think so..
my point since day one, finally someone else gets it.
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If noone minds me throwing my 2 cents in here...
I think personally if they made "mini-street"a certified class at all events,you would get alot more new comers out...
I've seen mini-street here and there and sometimes brought on to make and even feild for those not qualifing so good in Street..
Why not make mini-street an actual class for all events...
BTW..those not sure what mini-street is...max 2 subs..1 amp(per sub??notsure)max 600 watts..purely street car..
Basicly, a class that "Little Billy" could run his beater setup in and get some experience in and work his way up the ladder..
Just my thoughts and 2 peso's...
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quote:Originally posted by Fortunz: Why would a STREET system ever blow equiptment after 30 seconds? Its not like they are driving around everyday blowing subs. If you can't function as a street car with no problems then you can't win.
My point exactly!!!!
quote:If a street car is to be played for that length of time. Keeping the engine off is unrealistic, not too mention, a street car is ran when playing on the street, not with the car off and killing the battery.
Then explain how I've played my system for over 2 hours with the car off, with only one red top. The car started fine afterwards.
My point is that REAL street cars can handle this.
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Ok first I don't mind being quoted but at least get the quotes correct.
I stated that a car in Real-World Drag Racing Street eliminator needs to function as a street car to compete in the races. I used this as an example.
I know that when I compete my Street A car I can usually kill the battery in one run to the point the car WILL NOT START.I also play normal music in street so I am one of very few that do this. I also play for the entire metering time not just for a burp.
I feel that the point of the street car being a street car you should run it as you would on a normal day to day basis.
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quote:Originally posted by Fortunz: Why would a STREET system ever blow equiptment after 30 seconds? Its not like they are driving around everyday blowing subs. If you can't function as a street car with no problems then you can't win.
My point exactly
maybe? I am not totaly for this idea, it goes against everything I have ever done in SPL, but I see how it could work.
IMO, 30 is to long.....yes, alot of stret beaters go for hours at a time, BUT on the stret you don't play 30 scond sine waves full tilt either. There is a HUGE diffrence in abuse levels between playing even diferent types of music.....not to mention sine waves. Music has highs and lows and breaks in between (beats) very rarly (with music) does your box impediance actully let you run more than 1/2 of wht you think your getting, just becuse your hardly NEVER at tuning...."unless" you know some majic song that plays one 3 or 4 notes nd thy are CLOSE to tunning.....point here is, while street beater CAN play music for long pieriod of times, lets see a top of the line "dbdrg" qulity street beater (4 woffers, 1-2000 wats per VC RMS do a sine wave AT tunning (where the impedianc is lowest) Constiantly, for 30 seconds....I am not saying thre are none....but I'll bet there is few,.... that wouldn't melt some VC's.
now the typicl street set up of yers past, a pair of L7's with a 4KW...those woffers are NOT made to handle tht mount of power....they, in ALOT of spl instlations, would MELT if ran for 30 seconds. now, on the other hand, if you were using "lets say" treo CSX's.....they handel ALOT more power...and probably wouldn't even get warm.
so I guess IMO it comes down to equipment failure, and a side note of manufcturs..meaning, we want youngens to get into the sport right? "point of the post" how is having them buy "typical" street beater subs (50-200$ each) (typical street beaters budget is alot less than ours) and have them try snd do something alot of HIGH quality, SPL cars can't do.? hence I see, burt VC's too. Or a whole bunch more sealed street set ups.
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I don't see a problem with limiting street class to what a normal street beater should be capable of even though I drive around with my street a setup playing music I know many others do not. But if this class is actually created there still needs to something between this and super street to help the guys like me move up.
It's nearly impossible to go from a pair of 12's, one amp and one batt which is what is suggested up to SS which even if quads are banned will still take a pair of 15's or 18's, 8 amps, an alt. or two, and god knows how many 16volt battery's to be up with those guys.
I'm all for your reducing street class to more streetable cars but if there is not this "buffer" class than your still going to end up with veterans in street because no one can afford to move up and still be competitive.
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