quote:Originally posted by HGCA: The man has spoken, to me, this is pointless thing to argue about...
Has he ?
Ofcourse you think its pointless, as you agree with quads being banned.
I have no reason to believe this is not true (imagine how stupid it would make some judges look, its its not correct ), but i guess we all will whine about it, until Wayne himself makes an official post about it !
What i dont like, is that we hear i from somebody, that heard it in a chatroom ! If im not mistaken, this decision has been made a while ago - if thats true, i wonder why the competitors are not told about it ? People are buying new woofers, recone what they already have, and some are spending money on amps, that might be somewhat useless (if they want to be competitive) next year !
quote:SS 5-8Art's Sound Chamber 1: 32 RF BD1500; 8 TRF 15 dual 1.4 Broken Silence-Estes: 24 DEI 2400D; 6 atomic apx 15 quad 1.4 Team Divine Will: 28 MTX 1501D; 7 Shocker Sig 15's(DVC) Dave Goss: 20 Audiobahn Microwaves; 5 atomic apx 15 quad 1 Jim Myrick: 20 MTX 1501D; 5 RFL 15 Erik Reid: 24 Memphis Mojos, 6 Mojo 15's Team Driven 2: 8 American Bass amps, 8 DD 9515's Greg Zoller: ????
SS 9+ Bob Perillo: 36 Memphis mojo amps, 9 mojo 15's Scottie Johnson: 36 MTX 1501D, 9 brahma 15 Tommy McKinnie: 36 RF bd1500, 9 TRF 15 Team Divine Krik: 36 RF bd1500, 9 TRF 15 Broken Silence-Mark: 5 MA 4000D, 10 Crossfire XT15 Randy Kubek: 24 L7 8's, ??? amps Damien Kliewer: 2 ZR 1000; 10 Kicker XPL 15 Team Quad 1: 12 Clif Designs 10's; 4 Clif CD20xa's
BYE-BYE QUADS!!!
I would just like to reshow this list again with a little more clarity.lets remove all teh people with quads. ss5-8 1 Arts sound chamber 3 Team Divine Will 6 Jim Myric Team Driven Greg Zoller
Now a point to be made is that no competitor in these classes competed with more than 4 amps per sub quads or duals. I think they still deserve to compete.
I wish I sould find the posts of the lower classes then you would be very suprised by the effect quads running 8 amps per sub played in the winners brackets.
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I must say this has turned out to be quite the controversial topic. As for the "quads" issue I feel that it will level the playing field. We placed 10th at finals this year in a field of competitors that virtually all had quads, the only other competitor that comes to mind with duals is Tim Phillips. We aren't complaining about anything, we lost we'll stand up and take it. The simple fact of the matter here is that now we can realize AND respect all the competitors that are really loud with essentailly half the power. My props go out to Tim simply because he did just that, defied the odds and beat everyone that had quads. Check out how many people out there are really loud and are using duals.... I beleive that you'll be astounded. Team Welch for instance, 2 woofers, 8 amps. The list goes on and on. I believe that it's time to find out in dB Drag,"where all the big dogs" play if it's more equipment or the install. I think that you'll find that the majority of competitors that dominated in the past with quads will have some serious work to do. On another note, I find it amazing that Wayne Harris has still not replied to this topic. It is for this very issue that you will not see us at Finals this year, nor will we become a retail member for the 04 season. The attention to the competitor is where it started, and that has been lost somewhere along the line here. dB Steve I met you at Finals and have the utmost respect and,I realize that you'll be compelled to respond to this post but please, let Wayne take the step here and address the many who have supported him over the past years, because that is what the competitors need to hear. Hear it from him. Team XSS Chris
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WHY would companies NOT make quads? Didn't Kicker have to add weight to the cone of the Solo X to get the Fs down to a useable level? Wouldn't a quad help this? Would swapping a QVC with a DVC get a higher number if the resistance and wattage stayed the same?
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Brahma is a QUAD coil if the coils are paralleled or series under the dustcap doesn't change the fact its still a QUAD coil.
Dan/scottie just using your sub as an example please don't take offense.
using last yrs rules
Loudspeakers incorporating more than 4 discrete voice coils are prohibited. (Loudspeakers are limited to a maximum of 2 discrete voice coils in the Street Division.)
Going to outlaw Quad IMO is not wise, I suggest limit the # of amps you can use per sub.
4 amps per sub not hard to varify and would not outlaw the Quad coil subs on the market.
oh well time for my suggestion to drop into the billion pages of this thread.
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Personally the rules last year were ideal. Street cars used stock gear, SS and EX used non Stock gear.
Makes sense to me.
Why ban something that is a future development of our sport. Lots of guys run QVCs in daily drive cars in the UK, these guys can no longer enter dB Drag. They aint gonna change subs to compete, they will stick with the QVCs which give them a multitude of wiring posibilities.
Quads exist, quads were legal, quads have been used. Its a bit late to ban them now.
Its a bit like shutting the barn door after all you horses have bolted
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quote:Originally posted by Iboomalot: Brahma is a QUAD coil if the coils are paralleled or series under the dustcap doesn't change the fact its still a QUAD coil.
No it's not. Brahmas do NOT use quad coils. Scottie's subs at finals were DUAL coils.
But...outlawing quads is still rediculous!
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While I can understand some arguments for banning quads, I think that some points are being overlooked. As mentioned earlier if quads have no place: Then 16-18 volt has no place Then stupid size amps have no place (jbl/crown etc).
There should be no quads in street that goes Without saying, as this class is just that a street class Aimed at street style systems that you would see driving Down the street daily Superstreet as I see it is a step above street, using “Super” equipment while still retaining the street element of the car. Extreme is just that anything goes (within the rules) I think that quads have been around to long now to Ban them they ARE a part of our sport I know people In New Zealand that are using quads in daily drivers I don’t know anyone that is using a jbl/crown
I hope that Wayne thinks of the small people who have Spent large amounts of money on there systems and Probably won’t spend lots more on large amps just to Remain at the same place they were last season (read into this wont compete anymore) If he does make this decision I hope he uses lube As it’s gonna hurt my A#ss
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As it goes, and from the numerous replies of this topic, i'm currently wondering one thing.
Banning Quad coils is good for some and bad for others. However, if the purpose is to be cloer to the real world off-the-shelf market, why ban the quads, and why not asking companies to stop making / selling quads?
If every company (in a theorical world) stops making quads, then either people will stick with their quads or buy news DVC's. But if a company say "The hell with DVC, i want to build quads", then everyone will get this quad, so other company (in order not to loose face) will do some quad themselves and so on. The fact is not that the common youngster will buy or not quads is that if it's available, and people can do good numbers with quads in DBDrag, then we will buy them. It's not an engineering nightmare to do a quad coil woofers, it's jut not a common sight, period.
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"The man has spoken, to me, this is pointless thing to argue about... "
to clarify, I was NOT implying tht I talked to wayne.. mybe I shoud hve wrote it like this..
"the man has spoken, & IMO this is a pointless...." I wa saying "to me" as in my opinion...
I just don't get it...eveyone is complaining bout the lack of amps, but the use of big amps.... HELLO, it has always been this way! now there will only be 1/2 as many big amps...
quad with anytypical 1000d starpable amp. you get round 8-12,000 watts right? tht IF your running 8 of them. you still got guys using big amps one per coil getting the same if not little more power...right......whats the big deal....you use 1/2 s many, he uses 1/2 as many...
of course there will be one crown per DVC, and they will still have tons of power....but that's the way it is..someone lways has more power, but SO WHAT....Welcom to street class...where you buy bigger equipment...or you "like me" have to learn to get loud with OUT buying the big cheter amps tht you can't afford.
when this happens in street you hear from some of the big dogs who put there 2 cents in..you gotta, pay to play.... ahahahaha, now who's crying ....I'm not, if I stay in SS this will help me ALOT.
lol, now do some people see why it would be "maybe fairer", to lift amp limits in street?
I do not support amp limits in street, because you have limits on the electricl system! what should be the head banger, amp limit in SS nd ex? ??? how about get rid of quads....????
And I agree, I have said it manytimes, there WILL be some bigger amps, if you have tiny strapable class D's..don't expect to win finals....but then again, people that domine finls don't us tiny anything do they? your always going to have peps that have all the right equipment and be over powering you. Live with it... and build past that.
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Quads have more market value to the consumer and retailer than a dual coils. They simply offer alot more wiring options. So the whole "not good for the market" excuse is void. theres more to this story than we know I bet. But lets all just take it as it is and come back strong and play within the "intent" of the rules.
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hakeeb, couple things you said that i never thought of... but if you take a look at the top people of ss5-8 and 9+, most of them(i can't say all) are under the big corporation umbrella). perhaps this is why people don't compete in those classes. before limiting quads, i feel it is important to limit sponsorships, if you do not think i lose for saying this, you are wrong. no one wants to compete against someone who blows a sub and an amp, and just says, here, hand me another one. i feel this is more of a problem than anyone would admit.
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i think it is really time to state the real reason for getting rid of quads.
manufacturers do not want to support so many amps, manufacturers want to limit their sub line up to a smaller number of different coils/types of subs, so they can order more of them and save more money.
i wish this was said at post one. i think i will survive going from quads to duals, gotta find some bigger amps, anyone want to sponsor someone who was 1.6 from winning dbdrag finals?
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: hakeeb, couple things you said that i never thought of... but if you take a look at the top people of ss5-8 and 9+, most of them(i can't say all) are under the big corporation umbrella). perhaps this is why people don't compete in those classes. before limiting quads, i feel it is important to limit sponsorships, if you do not think i lose for saying this, you are wrong. no one wants to compete against someone who blows a sub and an amp, and just says, here, hand me another one. i feel this is more of a problem than anyone would admit.
I agree, we have to put sponsored vehicles in their own class and make way for more retail equipment. Seems they would rather give it away than sell it.
BTW Looking for a sponsor! You pick the class and we win it!
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I think that if Wayne Harris has decided to screw over this many competitors and companies (which he is) then he needs to step up to the plate and get in here. Why can't he post this himself?
If he is THE MAN-The Almighty.... why doesnt he make an announcement like this himself?
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**** it lets just say the hell with subwoofers and start useing only 6x9s Posts: 142 | From: kirksville,missouri | Registered: Sep 2003
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I still think this was a test since Wayne has not posted...i dont see the bann happening......it is kind of like he is showing that there are worse things that could happen than combinding some orf the SS and EX classes......
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I think that if Wayne Harris has decided to screw over this many competitors and companies (which he is) then he needs to step up to the plate and get in here. Why can't he post this himself?
If he is THE MAN-The Almighty.... why doesnt he make an announcement like this himself?
I would like to see or hear some thing from Wayne him
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