quote:Originally posted by Chris B: some people need to start thinking whats better for the industry and not just themselves..
I guess this rule will separate the true competitors and flavours of the week.
i somewhat agree, but competitors have everyday systems like everyone else has... i say we think of ourselves, because noone else will.. i say we think of ourselves, because we are the guys driving to the shows, spending our hard earned money....so hell yeah , lets think of ourselves.... we are the ones that these companies want to make them look good...
quote:Originally posted by DrBass: As far as the amp comparison goes, when people walk in my store, they see the A6000GTi sitting there and every curse word you can think of (and then some), comes flying out of their mouth. Its a statement piece that impresses the crap out of people and leads to sales of the smaller amps that JBL offers. This is NOT speculation, this is fact, happens all the time on my retail sales floor. So the amps will not sell often at all, but it does lead to sales of other equipment.
kinda like when you go to Burger King and see the WHOPPER looking awesome, juicy, thick, fresh lettuce, tomato...and then you order, and get a mashed sandwhich, with slimy lettuce and wilted tomato.... in other words u cant have the nice sandwhich , because its our centerpiece... wtf did i just say? does anyone understand what the hell i am talking about?
quote:Originally posted by DrBass: As far as the amp comparison goes, when people walk in my store, they see the A6000GTi sitting there and every curse word you can think of (and then some), comes flying out of their mouth. Its a statement piece that impresses the crap out of people and leads to sales of the smaller amps that JBL offers. This is NOT speculation, this is fact, happens all the time on my retail sales floor. So the amps will not sell often at all, but it does lead to sales of other equipment.
kinda like when you go to Burger King and see the WHOPPER looking awesome, juicy, thick, fresh lettuce, tomato...and then you order, and get a mashed sandwhich, with slimy lettuce and wilted tomato....
We must shop at the same place ...
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I find it odd that Wayne Harris did not post this highly controversial topic.
When is he going to reply to this topic? I'm sure that all of the SS and Ex competitors would like to see an official post or response from THE MAN.
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to the guy tht keep bringing up tear downs to prove there is no quads....this will be realitivy easy to see by simply counting amps....if someone has a bunch of amp's and your worried, how hrd would it be to have a judge crwl int a port nd look at the VC configuration and "simply" count, the VC's on a woffer?
I see no problem here...there wsn't in street lst yer...with a no quad rule...nd them folk would actually have to remove woffer from the box to see the motor structer.
I made my case "patrick", I know where I stand, AND i can explin it.
I am for this ruling...and even if I wasn't would it matter? The man has spoken, to me, this is pointless thing to argue about...it's done, decided, and unles you want to buy the WHEnterprises...it's probably going to stay this way.
quote:Originally posted by DrBass: As far as the amp comparison goes, when people walk in my store, they see the A6000GTi sitting there and every curse word you can think of (and then some), comes flying out of their mouth. Its a statement piece that impresses the crap out of people and leads to sales of the smaller amps that JBL offers. This is NOT speculation, this is fact, happens all the time on my retail sales floor. So the amps will not sell often at all, but it does lead to sales of other equipment.
kinda like when you go to Burger King and see the WHOPPER looking awesome, juicy, thick, fresh lettuce, tomato...and then you order, and get a mashed sandwhich, with slimy lettuce and wilted tomato.... in other words u cant have the nice sandwhich , because its our centerpiece... wtf did i just say? does anyone understand what the hell i am talking about?
what in the hell??????
I bet Alan, I bet
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quote:Originally posted by dreid: sucks if you got 9900's, that recone cost is deadly
RFL's are gonna be the sub of choice next year!!!!
We won't be chosing them.
then what subs are you choosing?
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now what the hell am i going to do with my quad pyramid earth shaker subs
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quote:Originally posted by QuadCam: I find it odd that Wayne Harris did not post this highly controversial topic.
When is he going to reply to this topic? I'm sure that all of the SS and Ex competitors would like to see an official post or response from THE MAN.
You know what, I think he set up this little comment, and is now gauging the reaction to such(apparently anyway) a controversial decision. If there's too much opposition he'll reverse the "decision" and we'll never be the wiser that he just tested us...He's a smart man that Mr. Harris
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I hope he is just testing the waters.......but all in all i can see how combinding classess and adding more street classes can benifit db drag but this is a toss up...it could be the best thing yet or the worst thing even...could help us grow or kill it all together.........
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I personally don't see the point to this. So a DVC Solo X DVC with a crown per coil can't keep up with an APX QVC with a DEI 2400 per coil? Taking away QVC's will only be putting the Solo X with a crown per coil agains the APX with a crown per coil and the Solo X will still loose. If it aint loud now it won't be with no QVC's allowed plain and simple. I DO think that This is a test to see the reaction since Wayne has not posted yet and this is a big issue. I think he will make a formal post Either this weekend or Monday. Either way this will not help the sport only show the manufacturers that they can influence the sport and once they do that they will have you by the balls. I love to hate politics.
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quote:Originally posted by TheBigOki: PS.: Maybe REAL Power limits? We measure flowing amps and voltage what goes through the speaker wire. There is measuring equipment ! Limit should be 10-12 000 REAL Watts Each sub ! DB Warrior made a good example for limit street class in my opinion ! Why not in all classes? No 1000 Watts at 25 Ohms BS , just REAL POWER ! So everybody can use even "Octocoils"...
Thanks OKi ! Yuo are first non-Finish person how like that real power idea.
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quote:Originally posted by Anthony: Chris , i understand this 100%. But if wayne has the balls to outlaw quads. he better have the balls to get the amplifer side undercontrol.
thats the point im trying to make. There is no retail need for quads. There is no retail need for a strapable amp There is no retail need for a 5,000 watt amp or bigger.
I understand and happy there wil be no more quads. Just dont forget about amps.
I agree....i though the same thing back in the late 90's when the crossfires and memphis class d's came out. If all these issues where solved then db drag grow like it never has before.
Perhaps you should look into giving the 1501d's more avaiable current then 8 8volts like you did at finals. (No offense intended )
You know Jim Myrick also of the former thunderforce? And the founder of Pure Pressue Audio? We were getting a SOLID 2500-2800 PER amp at 0.7ohms each. Even with only 20 of those amps on our monster 8 volts we were loosing voltage (17.5v down to high 15s). Feed the amps more current they will equal the stock 6kw. (You are correct about the modded 6kws though, they WILL walk all over everything out there.) The BD1500s will walk over the 1501d's as well.... Alan Riley was getting 7kw per pair from his 1500s.
Hey.....I'm getting 5600 per pair......I REALLY hate to tell you this but I could drop to 6 8 volts and do the SAME #. I could double the batteries......AND DO THE SAME #. It doesn't GAIN. There's a REASON that people like Gorman and Jay use the # of batts they use......It doesn't gain after a certain # of batts are already in use.
I got an Idea............why don't I send you all my amps and you use them. I don't know what I'm doing OR what I'm talking about. I really am tired of this. Every time I say something I am told I'm wrong. I say yeah I am and it still never ends. I'm done. NO MORE. [/QB][/QUOTE] Al you should love this rule since you have all the amps and subs u need already.....I am looking for some amps (call me al) .....NO QUADS....ss1(if it happens) or ss 1-2 here i come. NO more msd for me. Be nice if the straped amp ban would happen to but i dont see it happening. So thats why i will be buying new amps. I was so close on getting some quads...glad to see my luck is changing for the good.
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I haven't seen any input on this subjet from Wayne himself, and i'm not talking about the chat those people had with Wayne...
So come on Wayne, where's your input?????
For those who are saying this is good so manufacturers don't have to give 1 competitor 8 strapable amps per woofer they can give them 4 strapable amps instead and give the othewr 4 to another competitor, S$%T WTF, dry your eye's you big princess, sponsor make the decisions on who they give their gear to and how much they give, so take a number get in line for a sponsorship deal, and DRY your EYE's again
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imo , it will only benefit people that are using high power amplifiers.it will effectively put an end to affordable power for ss to ext.it will be guys with jbl 6000gti's and the like that will dominate those classes.a 1000d will be obsolete
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How many stock and ''on the shelf'' parts are in this car?
NONE! And this is the biggest show in car racing that gets best media atention, biggest TV coverage, top sponsors that are not just from car industry...
Quads are part of this sport (dBDrag) as all race cars have special manufacturers.
I see that most of competitors wants to have quads, and that some manufacturers don't like quads.
But what is actual cost of making quad woofer? Why it is more expensive? Basket is same, magnets are usualy same, suspension is same...
And quad subs are not wining because they are quad. The same companies will make SAME models only in DVC or what is alowed versions. So it is not big difference for this manufacturers.
Than where is difference and who wants to ban Quads if not woofer manufacturers.
Top competitors are ones that have money and are sponsored by companies. And it will not be problem for them to buy monster amps. They will do anything to win and they will buy monster amps. Instead of 40 ''small'' amps they will have 10 monster amps that each will cost a lot of money and end power at sub will be the same.
How about average competitor that is starting to go to fight with old competitors. He is now paying slightly more for quad, he is buying ''small'' used amps, trying to find budget because he is not sponsored, he is just learning how to be loud, and with quad he can make a lot of combinations how to rewire amps... and with his knowledge and budget he can come 3-5 dB below top competitors. so he have motivation for next year.
But suddenly in next year there is no quads any more and monster amps are must to be among top competitors. How many used amps that will be among winners next year is on the used market now?
At the end who will benefit form getting rid of the quads? Only manufacturers of huge monster amps!!! How many companies can afford to build amps that will probably never be sold to normal people? Only few ones. Will that bring new sponsors to dB Drag? I doubt.
We are talking about banning quads that cost slightly more than DVC, in favor to sell monster amps that are also not in normal stores.
I don't have quad, but banning them is bad idea that can hurt dB Drag.
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