quote: thats the point im trying to make. There is no retail need for quads. There is no retail need for a strapable amp There is no retail need for a 5,000 watt amp or bigger.
and in the car audio place, there is no retail need for an 8 or 16vdc battery either. i've sold quads this year. i've sold strappable amps this year. but i have never, ever, been able to sell anyone a 8 or 16vdc battery. if you want to REALLY be fair, lets cover that issue aswell. and no one here can make a valid arguement that anything other than a 12vdc battery system has no market place in car audio.
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You may be right about people not comming to Drag events because they have quads. I was trying to find a setup to use in dbDrag Street and MECA Street but had a hard time until I traded the APX's for the Powerbase XS 15's. They will get much louder than the Atomics with less power so I can compete MECA CS4 and dbDrag Street B with the exact same setup. Sure I will have to use more than just 1 Orion 2500 to do good in Drag but I don't have the money to run around and get 100pts either so I figured I could get some scores and maybe do well in MECA and get a finals invite so I might get some experience and product backing. If you can't run what you have in Drag most will just skip the events instead of changing subs. That is how I see it. If they run both anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by H-O-Alts-Rick: Ok just an observation. Your sig says you are a member of MTX thunderforce..When did they come out with quads?
quote: thats the point im trying to make. There is no retail need for quads. There is no retail need for a strapable amp There is no retail need for a 5,000 watt amp or bigger.
and in the car audio place, there is no retail need for an 8 or 16vdc battery either. i've sold quads this year. i've sold strappable amps this year. but i have never, ever, been able to sell anyone a 8 or 16vdc battery. if you want to REALLY be fair, lets cover that issue aswell. and no one here can make a valid arguement that anything other than a 12vdc battery system has no market place in car audio.
Now I know I'm gonna get jumpped for this but here are my thoughts.
I agree with the ban on quads. I also think Gene has a good idea to a point. Limit Street to a 12 volt battery, limit SS to a 16 volt set-up and limit ext. to 18 volts. We all know that a normal good charging system can do over 14 volts so let's limit it in each class.
This in turn will also limit what an amp is capable of, and in turn bring it back closer to a level playing field.
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ok, if they cant be used, then who will buy them when everyone decides to sell their old stuff? i know many will simply recone theirs to duals... now, everyone will still use quad coils but series the coils under the dust cap.. thats what DD did for Tim Shelnut in his stock 1-160 car , .5" more excursion ..DUH!!!!
i am GAME for duals... but pissed that i wasted so much money......
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1.. who is to say that a competitor that recones there own speakers wont be using quad coils just parrell the coils under the dust cap to make a quad coil a dual coil
2.. if this done then who is doing to pay to have a woofer protested
3.. if the person that is protested doesnt have quads after tear down who is going to pay to have it reconed
said this earlier
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quote:Originally posted by ss454: What about the companies sitting on a bunch of Quad coil subs that are only good for dbDraggers and will now have no home. Will they have to take them back in as recones and rebuild them?
Thats the funniest thing I've read in this thread ...
dB Drag competitors make up how much of national sales for manufactures?
If quads are so 'common' as people say, then these companies shouldn't have any problems selling them to kids with their daily drivers.
If there building them for such a small market as dB Drag Racing, then I can see why manufactures would love to have a reason to not make them. All the costs involved in developing these subs just to market to a small group.
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no ones jumping you craig. all i am saying is that market place is a really poor excuse for banning a component that acually does sell on the streets. i've sold plenty of 12vdc batts, but never anything other than that. there is absolutely no marketplace for 8 volts and 16volt batts. i'm sorry, but it's the truth.
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Banning Quads WILL NOT make it cheaper to be a successful competitor.
Banning Quads -> not less Watts per sub, but MORE watts per Coil -> more burnt Voicecoils -> more expensive reconekits.
Banning Quad -> you just CANNOT add some more amps to your actual system, you always have to CHANGE ALL AMPS to get more power on your woofers..
BANNING QUADS is making the sport MUCH HARDER for everyone who has to PAY for his equipment - it only will help the SPONSORED GUYS
So please Wayne, think about this decision again!
Üüüühh!!! Matze
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If they did parrallel the coils UNDER the dust cap it should be allowed. Same as amps with multiple boards bridged internally. It won't get the companies complaining anymore wins Wayne. DD, Atomic, Shocker and the others will just win with DVC's more!
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quad coils can still be used.. simply wire (2 of the 4) .5ohm coils into a 1ohm load , therefor you have a dual 1ohm sub,,and still coils to take the heat.. or parallel quad 1.5ohm to .7ohm per coil(dvc)
dont worry, companies will come out with something new that will work....
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this whole thing on its the manufacturers that are pushing this is total BS, if this was the case that they hated building these woofers, then they wouldnt be building them, they would tell the people wanting them all they have are dvcs, really looks to me that this is all about 1 or 2 manufactures that dont make quads that put alot of money in someones pocket and want to win by getting their competition banned, and you know what they just did.
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quote:Originally posted by Smitty: this whole thing on its the manufacturers that are pushing this is total BS, if this was the case that they hated building these woofers, then they wouldnt be building them, they would tell the people wanting them all they have are dvcs, really looks to me that this is all about 1 or 2 manufactures that dont make quads that put alot of money in someones pocket and want to win by getting their competition banned, and you know what they just did.
You should check with a few manufacturers. I have talked to a few including ones making qvc's that are very happy about this. They never wanted to build qvc subs but they felt they had to.
quote:Originally posted by Smitty: this whole thing on its the manufacturers that are pushing this is total BS, if this was the case that they hated building these woofers, then they wouldnt be building them, they would tell the people wanting them all they have are dvcs, really looks to me that this is all about 1 or 2 manufactures that dont make quads that put alot of money in someones pocket and want to win by getting their competition banned, and you know what they just did.
You should check with a few manufacturers. I have talked to a few including ones making qvc's that are very happy about this. They never wanted to build qvc subs but they felt they had to.
What he said ...
I personally spoke with several manufactures of quad coils and they were excited to see them go.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8436 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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maybe we should just let wayne tell use what we should use in our car's. cough kicker cough huh wayne?sound good? smart move wayne
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heres the thing though unless all the organizations ban them they will still have to make them, so the only way for this to work is for them to not offer them, not for the organization to ban them, all it hurts is the organization and the competitors, and the competitors will go other places, although I know we don't want to, for those with quads or getting quads or those that support other competitors with quads the other organizations are the ones that will benefit the most from this decision by DB Drag.
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quote:Originally posted by Smitty: this whole thing on its the manufacturers that are pushing this is total BS, if this was the case that they hated building these woofers, then they wouldnt be building them, they would tell the people wanting them all they have are dvcs, really looks to me that this is all about 1 or 2 manufactures that dont make quads that put alot of money in someones pocket and want to win by getting their competition banned, and you know what they just did.
You should check with a few manufacturers. I have talked to a few including ones making qvc's that are very happy about this. They never wanted to build qvc subs but they felt they had to.
What he said ...
I personally spoke with several manufactures of quad coils and they were excited to see them go.
Didnt speak to us.... Who did you speak to then?
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My friend said that my speakers are cooler than yours.... therefore I'm cooler than you are. Don't argue with me about it either. Posts: 2371 | From: Vegas | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Smitty: this whole thing on its the manufacturers that are pushing this is total BS, if this was the case that they hated building these woofers, then they wouldnt be building them, they would tell the people wanting them all they have are dvcs, really looks to me that this is all about 1 or 2 manufactures that dont make quads that put alot of money in someones pocket and want to win by getting their competition banned, and you know what they just did.
You should check with a few manufacturers. I have talked to a few including ones making qvc's that are very happy about this. They never wanted to build qvc subs but they felt they had to.
What he said ...
I personally spoke with several manufactures of quad coils and they were excited to see them go.
Didnt speak to us.... Who did you speak to then?
I talked to Jess from DD and some dude from RF. I was in and out of the booth at Usac most of the day, I just remember several people talkin' to Wayne and them liking the idea.
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dBSteve Get Loud Productions LLC Posts: 8436 | From: Midwest | Registered: Aug 2000
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Well, being in the retail end of things, I have never, EVER had a customer ask for a quad coil woofer, or even have the SLIGHTEST clue that they existed (12 years). I agree that many of the companies that have made them are only making them trying to "keep up with the jones's". How can a manufacturer justify designing, engineering, and selling a woofer that will only sell like 50 a year of (not exact obviously, but you get the point)....
As far as the amp comparison goes, when people walk in my store, they see the A6000GTi sitting there and every curse word you can think of (and then some), comes
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