quote:Originally posted by RFLWagon: We should change the name from DB Drag to DjBl drag. I can't afford Crowns. So I guess it's off to Iasca or Usac. This is B.S. We are supposed to be loud. Push the envelope watch it bend.
I have a feeling that this is due to some manufacturers. Doesn't sound like a desision that would be made without someone threatening funding somewhere.
What is this coming to????? I remember someonew saying where do we draw the line.........I guess right HERE.
(Alan remember though - 2 1501d's with adequate voltage behind them will produce the same power as a single JBL, so things aren't as limited. Also you won't be at a power disadvantage with the RFL's anymore, so I think the RFL is going to make a HUGE showing next year.)
But then again look at all the money invested up until this point in quads and those who now must sell them...
HA HA HA......MTX yeah you might get 6 k out of a strapped pair....PEAK and on the verge of imploding. I heard modded crowns do 10 k RMS....NOT even the same ball park.
RFLs DUDE where the HELL have you been????? Do you know what's going on with MTX right now????? Thunderforce is DEAD. It already has been decided we are all gone at the end of next year AT THE LATEST. We are doing nothing more than circling the drain. We are on a one way ride to nothing. No one from MTX even had the BALLS to give a call and resolve rumors. We are REAL valued competitors
If you think that we are not at a disadvantage you are crazy. With this going on there's only one bandwagon to jump on...... JBL... get crowns or stay home.
Perhaps you should look into giving the 1501d's more avaiable current then 8 8volts like you did at finals. (No offense intended )
You know Jim Myrick also of the former thunderforce? And the founder of Pure Pressue Audio? We were getting a SOLID 2500-2800 PER amp at 0.7ohms each. Even with only 20 of those amps on our monster 8 volts we were loosing voltage (17.5v down to high 15s). Feed the amps more current they will equal the stock 6kw. (You are correct about the modded 6kws though, they WILL walk all over everything out there.) The BD1500s will walk over the 1501d's as well.... Alan Riley was getting 7kw per pair from his 1500s.
Yes, Ive known for quite some time now that Scott harris was fired for the mtx booth not being up to par at drag finals. I also know that EVERY section of mtx's team is going bye bye; even the xtant team. I knew this not 24hrs after drag finals were over....
But you have the stuff now, put it to use I'd say...
But for the record, I agree - KEEP QUADS, hell and Im not in ss or extreme....lol
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few as the needs of the industry outweigh the needs of the competitors.good idea bye-bye quads hello manufactuer support!
-------------------- In Loving Memory, David Alfaro
2008 US.Top Cert.Street C 158.4 2008 25-48 No-wall NSPL World Champion,World Record 159.0 2007 U.S.Top Cert. Street A,B,C 2005 Db Drag Street A World Champion 2004 Db Drag US. record 642 points 2003 Db Drag Points World Champion http://www.maxxsonics.com/
Back in 02 my girlfriend said I had to make a choice between her and DB Drag....I told that b-tch I've made harder decisions at the Coke machine. Posts: 4141 | From: Suitland,MD USA | Registered: Sep 2001
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quote:Originally posted by -Chris McSweyn-: I'm sure everyone would really like to go back to the good ole days of POWER CLASSES.
to be honest , i would rather go back to power classes. it was more fun then.
Come on Anthony Power classes???? I guess they were fun if you had a VLX25/400x, one of the Zapco amps or remember the Orion Concept...
it doesnt matter if you limit the coils or not. instead of using 8 1500watt amps , people will just use bigger more costly amps. To replace the power loss. I would expect alot of companys to come out with 2500-5000 watt strapable amps for this year. So everything next year will cost the same . people will just have 4 really big amps vs 8 big ones.
Ok so if I use 8 REALLY BIG amps then what? Now you have to use 8 REALLY BIG amps just to compete. Anthony I don't care how big our amps get people will want to run as many as they possibly can.
Think about this... How many competitors actually pay for their amps. What I mean by that is who bought their amps through a dealer; NOT at some competitor price, NOT off the Net and NOT off of a competitor that switched brands. Like it or not DB Drag needs to be win/win situation for everyone, Wayne, Manufacturers, Dealers and Competitors. Haven't you noticed that companies are pulling back on sponsorships? If the classes are empty they will go away, if too many go away what will happen to DB Drag? It is your problem and not just Waynes.
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Chris , i understand this 100%. But if wayne has the balls to outlaw quads. he better have the balls to get the amplifer side undercontrol.
thats the point im trying to make. There is no retail need for quads. There is no retail need for a strapable amp There is no retail need for a 5,000 watt amp or bigger.
I understand and happy there wil be no more quads. Just dont forget about amps.
-------------------- Anthony Lloyd Full Moon Racing In need of a sponsor . Posts: 3228 | From: Loves Park , Ill | Registered: May 1999
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My problem is, and thats the only thing I really care about, that I dont want to go away from dB Drag !
If banning quads is a solution for everybody, ok, thats it, we must live with that.
But other problems must be addressed FIRST !
There will always be a pro and contra for everything. But bend people to switch brands is not good.
I understand that : Support thise who support you !
I also say : Dont care about these , who dont care about you !
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: I PAYED, and I payed more because of living on a different continent ! I got screwed all the time, I dont want anymore ! First it took so long to get these damn quads and this amps, no I should sell and switch, not with me. And yes, I got competitor prices, what is about so much than regular prices for equipment you can buy at a us dealer ! Because we dont have distribution here. So is it my fault? Have you ever importet things by yourself from a different continent? (I guess yes, because you are a buisiness man, imagine how hard it is for a private person, and you have to do all this beside competing and building car and so on, and then they say : GET NEW DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT !)
-------------------- www.sqpl.de I´m a Kraut,and I want it loud! Üüüühh!!!
quote:Originally posted by Anthony: Chris , i understand this 100%. But if wayne has the balls to outlaw quads. he better have the balls to get the amplifer side undercontrol.
thats the point im trying to make. There is no retail need for quads. There is no retail need for a strapable amp There is no retail need for a 5,000 watt amp or bigger.
I understand and happy there wil be no more quads. Just dont forget about amps.
Very well put anthony, but I wonder if those other issues will be addressed
quote:Originally posted by Anthony: Chris , i understand this 100%. But if wayne has the balls to outlaw quads. he better have the balls to get the amplifer side undercontrol.
thats the point im trying to make. There is no retail need for quads. There is no retail need for a strapable amp There is no retail need for a 5,000 watt amp or bigger.
I understand and happy there wil be no more quads. Just dont forget about amps.
Yes Anthony ! And address more than this problems until you come to the quads !!!
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: Maybe REAL Power limits? We measure flowing amps and voltage what goes through the speaker wire. There is measuring equipment ! Limit should be 10-12 000 REAL Watts Each sub ! DB Warrior made a good example for limit street class in my opinion ! Why not in all classes? No 1000 Watts at 25 Ohms BS , just REAL POWER ! So everybody can use even "Octocoils"...
-------------------- www.sqpl.de I´m a Kraut,and I want it loud! Üüüühh!!!
quote:Originally posted by Iboomalot: there is no reason for DVC coils either.
why not limit the entire sport to SVC coils and 2,000 watts or less per sub.
I sell 95% DVC. The reason is I can stock one SKU and be able to have many wiring configurations to meet each customers' needs. When we only had SVC, I had to stock two different resistance of the same model woofer.
-------------------- Bobby Riley Art's Sound Chamber
Fifteen time SPL World Champions-----26 SPL World Records DB Drag == IASCA == USACi == MECA Posts: 3484 | From: Retirement Village in Branson Missouri. | Registered: May 1999
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i quess i will throw in my 2 cents. it seems like the only people who are complaing is the ones who have quads, this i understand. but i think that banning quads is understandable. how many retail stores, and i mean stores you can walk in of the street, not internet sites and buy a quad coil subwoofer. not very many i bet. there is more dvc woofers sold then quads unless you can buy straight from the manufacturer which most people cant.i think that if you can buy it at a retail shop then it is ok to use. but this is jusy my random thoughts, so please i dont mean to piss anyone off. everyones opinion counts for something.
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quote:Originally posted by -Chris McSweyn-: Haven't you noticed that companies are pulling back on sponsorships? If the classes are empty they will go away, if too many go away what will happen to DB Drag? It is your problem and not just Waynes. [/QB]
Chris I love the support you give the industry but if sponsorships dry up it would make way for people that actually paid for their gear, and that benifits manufactures alot more than free hand outs that seems to be the trend now. I think manufactures need to stop the free hand outs and worry about the people who actually pay for the gear. Give out stuff at local levels alot more.
By the way, the excuse that quads are not feasable in the retail world is a load of crap, a Quad 1 or Quad 2 ohm sub has alot more wiring options than a dual 2 or single 4 ohm coil.
I would just limit # of amps per sub at two, and if you say its too easy to hide amps, don't worry the judges will find out.
-------------------- -Donald Hebig
-Saskatchewan dB Drag event promoter Posts: 1961 | From: Borden, Saskatchewan. Canada | Registered: Feb 2000
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OK maybe I can clear some of this up. I hope. First off I know this is a heated discussion and my comments are meant only as observations, I am just trying to give a manufacturer members point of view. Competitors make up a very small percentage of real world buyers. dB Drag is a marketing tool more then a market to manufacturers. Competitors almost always buy products at a low price, often even at a loss to manufacturers. Manufacturers need to be able to use their products in competition to gain marketing power from the sport. If the product used in competition is not the same that is available to the average Joe then the sport is not a marketing tool anymore. Why would manufacturers support a sport that has no marketing value to them? They won't. This ruling has very little to do with my product but I can definitely understand why sub and amp manufacturers would not support dB Drag as long as to have a chance to win they would have to build special products that are not normal sales items. IMO: Manufacturers want to be able to say this is the same product that was used in the car that currently holds the world record in ____ class or is used by_____ competitor.
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[/qb][/QUOTE]Perhaps you should look into giving the 1501d's more avaiable current then 8 8volts like you did at finals. (No offense intended )
You know Jim Myrick also of the former thunderforce? And the founder of Pure Pressue Audio? We were getting a SOLID 2500-2800 PER amp at 0.7ohms each. Even with only 20 of those amps on our monster 8 volts we were loosing voltage (17.5v down to high 15s). Feed the amps more current they will equal the stock 6kw. (You are correct about the modded 6kws though, they WILL walk all over everything out there.) The BD1500s will walk over the 1501d's as well.... Alan Riley was getting 7kw per pair from his 1500s.
Hey.....I'm getting 5600 per pair......I REALLY hate to tell you this but I could drop to 6 8 volts and do the SAME #. I could double the batteries......AND DO THE SAME #. It doesn't GAIN. There's a REASON that people like Gorman and Jay use the # of batts they use......It doesn't gain after a certain # of batts are already in use.
I got an Idea............why don't I send you all my amps and you use them. I don't know what I'm doing OR what I'm talking about. I really am tired of this. Every time I say something I am told I'm wrong. I say yeah I am and it still never ends. I'm done. NO MORE.
-------------------- T3 Audio H.O. Alternators Team Soundstream 06 NW Champion
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Sure ! Because the people with Quads are hurt now ! So they complain, that is a normal thing ! And its ok and understandable. There will be people like me who are whining and complaining, but at last we must agree or go away. And there will be people who will accept and change without one complain. There will be people who are not competing with quads and they will be against this rule, and also there will be people who are with this rule. There will be people who are glad, because they can save MONEY AND BATTERIES now There will be people who agree with this, or with this side.
But at last: There will be a lot of people...
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: Ok, I wrote way too much today and promise to go to bed now... And to fall in sleep, I will count coils tonight...
P"2.: Hehe Don, good point ! If there will be more sponsorships then, it dosnt matter what will be banned, because the sponsored people get what they need, and give back what they dont need (or not allowed to use anymore). Too bad that there are more paying people out there.
-------------------- www.sqpl.de I´m a Kraut,and I want it loud! Üüüühh!!!
quote:Originally posted by -Chris McSweyn-: Haven't you noticed that companies are pulling back on sponsorships? If the classes are empty they will go away, if too many go away what will happen to DB Drag? It is your problem and not just Waynes.
Chris I love the support you give the industry but if sponsorships dry up it would make way for people that actually paid for their gear, and that benifits manufactures alot more than free hand outs that seems to be the trend now. I think manufactures need to stop the free hand outs and worry about the people who actually pay for the gear. Give out stuff at local levels alot more. [/QB]
I agree but unfortunately people will always give away product no matter how strictly it is policed. We lost many competitors this last year because we knocked our sponsorships down to 3 people. Many of the others went to where the free product was.
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