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shouldn't we as competitors VOTE on this? this is a democracy right? this is minimal how this should go down. everyone with a 03 or 04 membership card should vote on this. if manufacturers do not want to make quads, then don't make them. it is that simple.
quote:Originally posted by Conclusive: The "competitors will just get bigger amps" argument is ridiculous, as they can do just that currently WITH quads.
There is a finite amount of power you can use on current subs(using 3" and 4" coils) It's a perfectly valid argument given thermal and mechanical limitations.
quote:Originally posted by dB Don: I would also create a division for sponsored vehicles separate from non sponsored people.
This would be the only rule that would get more people in the game and make it more interesting!! I don't care about quads-can't afford one anyways... not to mention all the amps... We have a E1-2 car, that had 2 15" subs(they cost around 150 $ each) and only 2 amps(1200 watt each), and did 165,2 dB(old TP mic)-just to say that it is impossible to run with the guys that have 20000 or more watts...Of course we are NOT sponsored, just a bunch of students...
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quote:Originally posted by dB Don: I would also create a division for sponsored vehicles separate from non sponsored people.
This would be the only rule that would get more people in the game and make it more interesting!! I don't care about quads-can't afford one anyways... not to mention all the amps... We have a E1-2 car, that had 2 15" subs(they cost around 150 $ each) and only 2 amps(1200 watt each), and did 165,2 dB(old TP mic)-just to say that it is impossible to run with the guys that have 20000 or more watts...Of course we are NOT sponsored, just a bunch of students...
last i remember 8 crossfire 1000ds is cheaper than 1 jbl 6000. quads are cheaper to run. besides, we saw alot of duals win at finals, every single street class, ss1-2, not sure about ss3-4, but ss5-8, ss9+ as well. most of them were running rockford, wayne used to work for rockford hmmmmmmmmm... gonna cash in your rockford stock wayne?
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Suggestion: With dB Drag Racing being known as a test ground for new technology, would it be advisable to offer an "open class" to competitors who wish to continue the use of Quad coil drivers? Since it is known that there is a desire to reduce the quantity of classes offered at a sanctioned dBDRA event, maybe the "open class" could be offered at multi-point events only. This could allow those who have purchased quad coil drivers, to have an avenue to use their products. It may also allow the industry to use the "open class" to continue the research which dBDRA leads. The "open class" could still bring excitement to the SPL arena, which in turn could share in the support of new technology.
If this is an option, there would need certain restrictions placed on the class. No points awarded for the "open class". No "open class" participation at Finals. Only one "open class" would be needed, so as to not complicate matters.
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I guess I may as well reply to this post... I make it no secret that I am against quad coil woofers. These woofers have no real world value and are helping to reduce the amount of competitors in each class. Think about the pros and cons to quads:
Pro's: 1. More power per woofer = higher scores easily
Con's: 1. Twice as many amps needed. 2. Twice as many batteries needed 3. Increased weight as a result of the amps and batteries = Higher towing costs, more flats, broken trailers and possible accidents, high liabilities of towing 10,000+LB vehicles across the country. 4. If I have to give 80 1000D's or 40 2000D's up per competitor how do I help out others? 5. Most manufacturers hate building these since they don't sell them to the general public.
People must realize that this is the best for the sport in the long run. If you have quads now there are some options:
1. Sell half of your amps (if you actually bought them) 2. Keep your extra amps for spare's 3. Move up a class into one that is not as crowded thus giving you a better chance to place higher. 4. Recone your woofers to duals if possible (as DD's are)
Look at the number of competitors in each class, 5-8 and above were fairly empty.
As someone said earlier: the big amp arguement doesn't hold water because with quads you will just need twice as many big amps!
As far as off the shelf equipment goes, At Crossfire we pride ourselves in the fact that any equipment used in competition is the same equipment found at any Crossfire dealer across the country.
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the thing i really do not get is that all the poitns for getting rid of quads was stupid, duals won street a, b, ss1-2,ss5-8,ex9+.
how about this one, companies building stuff the average joe won't use, well now they have to build 5kw+ amps, that the average joe won't buy, and dvc's that handle more power, the average joe won't buy.
if anything it is cheaper to use quad coils. 8 bd 1500s, about the same price as 1 crown, 8 crossfire 1000ds, $900 less than 1 crown. all your points have no sense, definitely not thought out at all. not to mention now, we can't recone our subs to be dvc without paying for new motors and coils, and we sure as hell can't sell them now.
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i don't think there is a sub on earth that can take 4 jbl 6000s chris. we are talking about replacing every round, that gets boring after awhile, and for 3 seconds and as long as the meter takes to read its peak, your score probably will not be higher with 30-40kw and it tearing apart.
quote:Originally posted by -Chris McSweyn-: I guess I may as well reply to this post... I make it no secret that I am against quad coil woofers. These woofers have no real world value and are helping to reduce the amount of competitors in each class. Think about the pros and cons to quads:
Pro's: 1. More power per woofer = higher scores easily
Con's: 1. Twice as many amps needed. 2. Twice as many batteries needed 3. Increased weight as a result of the amps and batteries = Higher towing costs, more flats, broken trailers and possible accidents, high liabilities of towing 10,000+LB vehicles across the country. 4. If I have to give 80 1000D's or 40 2000D's up per competitor how do I help out others? 5. Most manufacturers hate building these since they don't sell them to the general public.
People must realize that this is the best for the sport in the long run. If you have quads now there are some options:
1. Sell half of your amps (if you actually bought them) 2. Keep your extra amps for spare's 3. Move up a class into one that is not as crowded thus giving you a better chance to place higher. 4. Recone your woofers to duals if possible (as DD's are)
Look at the number of competitors in each class, 5-8 and above were fairly empty.
As someone said earlier: the big amp arguement doesn't hold water because with quads you will just need twice as many big amps!
As far as off the shelf equipment goes, At Crossfire we pride ourselves in the fact that any equipment used in competition is the same equipment found at any Crossfire dealer across the country.
So how long til crossfire releases a monster amp to go along with this decision
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Followings class winners used quads at finals:
SS 1-2 NW: Arts Sound Chamber 3, Team RF quad 18's SS 3-4: Team Xcursion - Scott, Team RF quad 18's SS 9+: Bob Perillo, Memphis Mojo Quad 15's Extreme 1: Superior Sound, Shocker Sig Quad 18's/American Bass VFL quad 18 Extreme 2: Kara Lucius, Shocker Sig Quad 18 Extreme 3-4: Jay Lovelace, 3 Atomic or Team RF 18's Extreme 5-8: Mike Jones, DD 9915 quads
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I think this is great. Before people jump my butt, we ran quads in our no wall. That will have to be changed. I would venture to say that most, if not all people that do not like this idea have or are planning on getting quads. Look at it for the best of the sport.
Here are the facts:
Db Drag is a competition format that is supposed to help dealers get kids in to buy product.
Dealers support db drag just as competitors do. And no matter what everyone says, there is no market for quads to customers. (we are talking about quads here, so don't give me anything about big amps in this thread.)
Point is, people are mad because they have to recone/sell/etc. When people in real racing have rules changed (restrictor plates, etc.) They accomodate for that, cuz that's within the rules.
I hope everyone can see the light and look past your personal situation to try to get people coming into this sport again.
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thanx for telling us alan, mr bd 2500s next year. not going to have a problem keeping up numbers, same amount of power, lighter coil in your NW.
*Head Judge at World finals 2004, 2006 and 2007 *Judge at World finals 2002 - 2003 *Norwegian dB Drag Racing Association. (NdBDRA) *Certified multi point judge.
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Thats odd because I have had people who never even thought of competeing buying quads. Like I said in another post this rules does me more good than bad but im still against it. How is having to buy crowns to be competitive gonna bring more people into the sport
I think we know what manufacture(s) are in who's pocket
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