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Why can't SS use this latches? How is it illegal?
I ask because I'm sure there is competitors like myself having problems keeping the door from opening. For example my passenger door opens if I don't lock it, BUT also I have to open it from the inside because the lock is all screw up(because of the pressure I guess), what if I get to the point that both of my doors start opening and I have to lock them and then the lock get screw from both sides?
Just let me know what you guys think and if you have the same problem in your vehicle. Hopefully Wayne will give us this for next year.
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it modifys the skin of your vehicle. also if this happened, you would need to have a turn off on your vehicle on your podium. its not going to happen pipo.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: it modifys the skin of your vehicle.
If this were the case, straps would not be allowed in extreme as well.
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When I asked about the battery box being installed under a SS vehicle, I was informed that the box would need to remain behind the door jamb (even though it is not part of the interior). I would think the door clamps would fall under the same line, in that they would be in front of the door jamb. Anything that is attached in front of the door jamb (even if it is on the outside of the vehicle skin) would be considered a modification (with the exception of "under hood" mounted equipment) and would not be allowed.
Also, knowing that rules are pushed to the extreme limits, by allowing one item (door clamps) to be installed in front of the door jambs, others may attempt to exploit other areas of the SS rules. By not allowing anything (interior or exterior) to be installed in front of the door jambs, the rules remain fairly simple. As an example, if the door clamps were allowed in SS, someone may use that rule to justify thier installation of a “caged” alternator. Also, one may attempt to install front window bracing, since side windows are allowed to be braced (if the clamps were allowed).
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: it modifys the skin of your vehicle.
If this were the case, straps would not be allowed in extreme as well.
bobby actually read the rule book, it says if you have your doors latched, you must have a kill switch on you or your podium. its not enforced... like many rules.
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6-8g Temporary structural reinforcements to the vehicle are prohibited during competition. This includes attaching straps, suction cups, sand bags, etc. to the vehicle. However, pressing on the doors, windows, trunk and / or laying on the hood, roof, etc. is acceptable providing no other applicable rules are violated.
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Super Street Division Passenger Compartment Restrictions
3-9a No modifications to the passenger compartment in front of the trailing edge of the doorjamb are permitted.
Additional Guidelines:
· The OEM headliner (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the trailing edge of the doorjamb.
· The OEM door panels (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the trailing edge of the doorjamb.
· The OEM carpeting (or an equivalent replacement) must remain in place for those areas in front of the trailing edge of the doorjamb.
· Sound damping materials may be used to reduce vibration when installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s recommended installation instructions. For those areas located in front of the doorjambs, the maximum total thickness of sound damping material applied at a given point may not exceed 5/32 inch (4mm). The sound damping application may consist of mat-type material, spray-on material, or a combination of the two. A maximum of 2 layers of mat-type material may be used in any application, even if the total thickness of the sound damping material(s) is less than 5/32 inch (4mm). For those areas located behind the doorjambs, an unlimited amount of sound damping material(s) may be used.
· Expanding foam may be used sparingly in front of the doorjambs to seal small openings or reduce vibration, but may not be used to fill voids or other large cavities (such as the dashboard or doors). An unlimited amount of expanding foam may be used behind the doorjambs.
3-9b Competitor’s may fold or remove their seats from the vehicle during competition. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
no where does it say you can't use bolts , straps , or clamps. Trick is making it work behind the doorjambs
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quote:Originally posted by HEAVY METAL: 6-8g Temporary structural reinforcements to the vehicle are prohibited during competition. This includes attaching straps, suction cups, sand bags, etc . to the vehicle. However, pressing on the doors, windows, trunk and / or laying on the hood, roof, etc. is acceptable providing no other applicable rules are violated.
That's where it says bolts, straps and clamps. Pipo it sounds like you have a door adjustment problem. Ckeck your door bushings on the latch and you can adjust the latch too.
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Robby believe I did that already and still doing it, at finals I had to lock the door from the inside.
And guys I don't think by bringing the rules from last year will work in the 2004 RULES DISCUSSION, remember we supose to talk about this issues and see if we can use them for the 2004 and future. Let's just talk about why can or can't we use them in SS. Thanks
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if you can drop the entire floor of your car over a foot and totally redo the entire drivetrain and its 100% legal but can't put on some door bolts / clamps behind the string line also then the entire front street / rear extreme is hypicritical IN MY OPINION.
and Temporary structural reinforcements doesn't apply to a clamp since it doesn't " structural reinforce " the car. It simply keeps the cabin sealed during testing.
a strap is an outside force thats not attached to the vehicle putting pressure on the overall skin of the vehicle causing it to be a "structural reinforcement"
IMO if you can drop floors , redo ANYTHING you want behind the doorjamb, steel , concrete , etc etc etc then adding some bolts or clamps behind the doorjamb and PASS the string test then I can't see why its not legal at this point.
would like a Judges opinion on this and if not legal why
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You guys must admit he does have a point in the sense that if it is behind the string line but.... being that is a propable etc as in the rules I think that is why it is not alowed.
But then again it would be the same as "pressing on the doors. kinda...
I would like to see a clarification of this used in these circumstances just to be safe.
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Just as in the No-Wall rulings (anything attached to the enclosure is considered part of the enclosure), anything that is attached to the door is considered part of the door. Since the doors are in front of the rear door jamb, anything that is attached to the doors would also be in front of the rear door jamb.
quote:Originally posted by Xiph0id: Put if it were attached to the center panel just behind the door. Would that modifying the OEM Skin of the car having it there? I think so.
I dunno I'm just saying it's almost legal.
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OEM skin mods are for keeping the interior volume the same. This was done after the DQ of Henry and Ranai at finals.
hell repainting your car is a mod to the OEM skin.
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quote:Originally posted by Iboomalot: clamps would be attached to the car behind the door jamb.
only when closed or clamped do they touch the door same as pressing on them.
street front / extreme rear
clamps would be attached to the rear part
I think thats less of a stretch than people cutting the floors. IMO
Then don't close or clamp the device, and you should be within your right to mount the device behind the door frame. But, once you close or clamp the device, and it touches the door, it is considered to be part of the door, and would be in violatioin of the rule...
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