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How about limit the battery size?? Like take the height, length and width of the 1700 and make that the maximum size of battery you can have for street? IMO that would make less loop holes..
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quote:Originally posted by Broken Silence CC - Johnny:
quote:Originally posted by Geo-X: what if the rules were changed so that the factory battery restraining bracket had to remain inplace, and unmodified. lets see how many sp1700's will disappear then. all cars come with the bracket. and it is a good way to solve alot of street battery issues. then you just have to worry about geting the caps out of the bats
If you change this rule, there will be no use for a stinger 1700 anymore. I don't know of any car that can fit one in the factory battery tray. Can you name one? I know it is common practice for street-beaters to remove factory battery trays to fit bigger batteries. I did it a long time ago before I ever thought about competing because my factory battery wouldn't cut it. I have several friends who have done the same thing in their daily driver setups. Lets just go ahead and make everyone run a 6v electrical system since that is what cars started out with
I totally agree!!! before I even knew what dbdrag was I had to modify my battery try for a yellow top, I can't beleive people cry so much about a battery
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quote:Originally posted by loud_aurora: Actually the Stinger SP1700 is the exact same size as the factory battery in Oldsmobile Auroras, and I'm sure there are others as well.
quote: If you change this rule, there will be no use for a stinger 1700 anymore.
Out of all of the cars in the world how many compete in DB Drag street classes? What kind of arguement is that, there are thousands of cars with systems and without that could benefit from a battery like the Stinger SP1700. There are other DB Drag classes that they could still be used in and there are other competition formats that they could still compete in.
Sounds to me like your stating your opinion for your own benefit, not for the benefit of dbdrag!! Besides, there is NO WAY to police the battery tray of every vehicle PERIOD
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What if the rule stated the battery must by in the stock location with the stock orientation? This would eliminate some people stuffing batteries where they appear unsafe and that they really don't fit.
-------------------- Just some thoughts from a nobody. Posts: 3683 | From: Lakewood,Ohio | Registered: Aug 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Fortunz: What if the rule stated the battery must by in the stock location with the stock orientation? This would eliminate some people stuffing batteries where they appear unsafe and that they really don't fit.
To me there is no difference in a th3e optima being on its side with the post pointing horizontal, and a battery with typical side post.
It seems to me, it would be very difficult to enforce anyhtig, except the way the rule is now. No modifications to the engine bay.. no bending meatl or anything to make a battery fit.
I do think that a "hhod scoop" should be adressed in the rules, so that people can't put a HUGE roof scoop on the car and use that additonal space for a battery.
You can have a hood scoop to make your car look good , but that additional space may NOT be used for battery.
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the problem with that is that it hurts the "street tuner" crowd.
The best way to eliminate battery controversy is to allow any 12V battery to be use under the hood. DBDRA should specifically state what "group size" batteries are legal for use in the DBDRA.
That way competitors are free to put whatever battery they want under the hood, as long as it is safely installed (judges call!). NO more battery bitching! Keep the rule in street B about the 2nd battery being of equal size or smaller than the battery under the hood.
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First of all to fourbanger, as I have previously posted I am not going to be competing in Street classes. Also, I am a Stinger dealer so this would only stand to hurt my sales of the SP1700 to people around my area wanting to compete in street.
Now that I have said my piece on that I would like to address QuadCam's idea for battery control. I personally think that this is a great idea, allow "all" vehicles to run whatever size 12volt battery they can mount safely under the hood. This would give all cars the opportunity to benefit from a large battery, not just cars with flat battery trays.
The biggest thing is for the DBDRA to specifically name which "group size" batteries are legal for street. this would eliminate oversized and unconventional batteries.
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quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Fortunz: What if the rule stated the battery must by in the stock location with the stock orientation? This would eliminate some people stuffing batteries where they appear unsafe and that they really don't fit. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To me there is no difference in a th3e optima being on its side with the post pointing horizontal, and a battery with typical side post.
The difference is in how the weight of the battery is loaded onto the case of the battery. The battery isn't designed to rest on a small contact point. It is designed to sit flat on a platform. I can see this battery being safe if you put a flat panel below it not if its resting on 2 small pieces of metal.
-------------------- Just some thoughts from a nobody. Posts: 3683 | From: Lakewood,Ohio | Registered: Aug 2003
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quote:Originally posted by loud_aurora: I am a Stinger dealer so this would only stand to hurt my sales of the SP1700 to people around my area wanting to compete in street.
Being a retailer also I believe that this is something that Wayne and anyone involved in making rule changes should consider carefully. It seems to me that there are only a couple of us on here who are retailers that are in a decision making role for a shop. Rule changes need to take into consideration how they will impact the retailers that DB Drag currently has, and hopes to attract. These decisions for the 2004 rules will have a direct impact on whether or not we host DB Drag events in 2004. So I am monitoring this closely.
We sell both Stinger and Turbostart batteries depending on the vehicle, install, and budget of the competitor. We have been building systems this last year in preparation for the 2004 competition season and plan on hosting events. (format undetermined at this point due to these isseus) I can say without a doubt that if the rules change in a manner that would restrict systems which we have built for customers then we won't host DB Drag events at our shop. If they remain unchanged then there will be no debate and I will get on board to host 4-6 shows in 2004. I can't support DB Drag though if I don't feel that they support me and provide a proper format for the competitors in our market.
So to those who are competitors on this board I ask you to consider this carefully when asking for rule changes which would further restrict Super Street and Extreme vehicles. If you want more shows, then you need to consider all of the consequences of what your asking for. I know that I am likely in the minority as far as dealers selling both 12 volt and 16 volt charging systems. However, I would be willing to bet that more stores would get involved with selling higher voltage systems once they begin to see a trend if they are properly educated on the merits of such and see how this can effect their bottom line.
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quote: Broken Silence CC - Johnny: If you change this rule, there will be no use for a stinger 1700 anymore. I don't know of any car that can fit one in the factory battery tray. Can you name one?
Well it's not a "car", but it's close, - a really small truck:
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quote:Originally posted by loud_aurora: First of all to fourbanger, as I have previously posted I am not going to be competing in Street classes. Also, I am a Stinger dealer so this would only stand to hurt my sales of the SP1700 to people around my area wanting to compete in street.
Now that I have said my piece on that I would like to address QuadCam's idea for battery control. I personally think that this is a great idea, allow "all" vehicles to run whatever size 12volt battery they can mount safely under the hood. This would give all cars the opportunity to benefit from a large battery, not just cars with flat battery trays.
wow does that mean i can lay one of those 2pc1700in1case jobbies as long as it remotely touches the original battery tray. this is the kind of stuff we currently see in those crz's with 1 pc1700.if thats how it will be next year,i can make my class a/b amps very competitive in street.(grey areas,ahhh gotta luvem)
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fortunz: I thought there was a guideline about equiptment having to be bolted down. Am I wrong?
A quote from the 2003 rules safty guidelines
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sound components such as speakers, amplifiers, enclosures, etc. should be fastened to the vehicle in such as way as to prevent them from causing injury or damage in the event of an accident. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait is this not legal? Its kinda in the car in the almost right place. It you turn too quick it might short out and the hood kinda might touch it but its ok right?? [/QUOTE
^^^^wow, nice install that is what my original understanding of the rule was,safe intallation but i was obviously wrong.i know it must be in the factory tray and fastened down at iasca.if not you are dq'd.
quote:Originally posted by loud brown kicker colt: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Fortunz: I thought there was a guideline about equiptment having to be bolted down. Am I wrong?
A quote from the 2003 rules safty guidelines
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sound components such as speakers, amplifiers, enclosures, etc. should be fastened to the vehicle in such as way as to prevent them from causing injury or damage in the event of an accident. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wait is this not legal? Its kinda in the car in the almost right place. It you turn too quick it might short out and the hood kinda might touch it but its ok right?? [/QUOTE
^^^^wow, nice install that is what my original understanding of the rule was,safe intallation but i was obviously wrong.i know it must be in the factory tray and fastened down at iasca.if not you are dq'd.
cry me a river
by the way a sp1700 fits in a full size bronco battery tray without modification
just leave the battery rule alone, its working just fine
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quote:Originally posted by Richard.O: I wonder one thing because in USA no one seems to use anything else than Crx in street classes.. The questions is dont you have any other small car lika VW Golf or small Japanese cars.. They would be cheaper and they work well in those classes over here..
uhh can we say back seats ??????or maybe I can go to the store and buy a can of back/rear seat repelant
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I was just wondering how the battery rule is working fine? I have seen a few posts about this in the last few weeks. I think that if we allow any battery in any orentation under the hood we are going to be setting ourselves up for situations where people new to the sport don't understand the sealed/non-sealed battery difference and try to jam a huge non-sealed batt under the hood and we have a severe safty situation.
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P.S. the only people I've ever heard complain about batteries are the people on here, I've never heard it at a show, maybe its because the people I talk to at shows are to busy getting loud!
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