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Ok, I am sre these things have been discussed but here is what I think about street:
-amplifiers should be limited to a maximum of two channels rather then four cahnnels...therefore only one two channel amp or two monoblocks can be used rather then what we have now which is basically double that (and as for 4KWs they are no longer being made and I am sure that if people wanted to they could get apco to take them apart and make 2 9.0s out of em...either that or street B could use one four channel, two twwo chaneels or 4 monoblocks) -the rule that makes minivans have their boxes behind the C pillar should be removed...it was a dumb rule at the time and is now even less applicable because now everyone has CRXs and is doing bigger numbers then those vans ever did. -no cargo vans is a good rule and should stay -other then these changes things should stay the way that they are. The only other thing would be stick enforcement of the battery rule because there are peopole out there modifying their trays to fit batteries and strictly speaking modifications aren't allowd
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I like your thinking Tom...sounds like a good idea but this only addresses the 4kwt and the HL4800.1.....you can still run two D2s or D3s in street A......
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I disagree with you about letting the vans go back to sliding the boxes all the way up.
That would do nothing towards wayne's hopes of getting the street class back to its intentions. The vans were able to use a loophole in the rules 3 years ago. The rules were amended, and it has been fine for the last 2 years.
If anything should be changed, the rules should stop allowing "2 seaters" to have their boxes all the way up to behind the front seats. Imagine if a CRX had to have its box and amps in the "real" cargo area!! That would make for a more level playing field.
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no I think a true level playing feild would be letting all vehicles compete using their avaialable space so long as it does not interfere with seating (boxes are allowed at the front if the seats are removable and crxs can have the box like they are now).
also no, you couldn't still use 2 D2s or 2 D3s in street A because they are two channell amps that are internally summed therefore only one is allowed...tyou can only use two amps if it is a TRUE monoblock
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: no I think a true level playing feild would be letting all vehicles compete using their avaialable space so long as it does not interfere with seating (boxes are allowed at the front if the seats are removable and crxs can have the box like they are now).
also no, you couldn't still use 2 D2s or 2 D3s in street A because they are two channell amps that are internally summed therefore only one is allowed...tyou can only use two amps if it is a TRUE monoblock
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yeah it is a two caannel amp...so you could use one of em...I don't see a problem witht that...there is no way to rule them out of street...they are just really powerful amps!
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in the capacity that it is meant to carry cargo yes...however true cargovans have no windows and no carpet and no body panels...I don't kow if that even helps but it is probobly true that noone drives around in cargovans with systems...but before you say it...YES, people do drive around with regular vans and the boxes at the front...I know a bunch of people including myself who did it. AND just so you don't think I am biased NO I DO NOT HAVE A VAN ANYMORE...I now have a 4 door Neon but I have always disagreed with the C pillar rule and hopefully it will be gotten rid of
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about the vans and the box at the front......so u would open the side door and the box would be right there?? so how would you get in the van like that? let the suv's put boxes on top of their folded rear seats then...no? Tom i know u are going to say no to that but b/c the seats cant fold up but if u do that in the van then u cant use the side door to enter the vehicle so wouldnt that interfere with the normal use and operation of that vehicle?
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no...because there are no seats left in the van (because they are facotry removable) therefore the opeeation that is intended for the van is to carry stuff and a speaker box would fall into the category of "stuff" If there are no seats in the van then the side door is useless anyway cause the only reason to go in it is to access the stuff in the back...a job which is usually done by opening the hatch cause the side door is too small to fit anything out of.
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isnt the same idea intended for suv and other cars with folded seats?? to carry stuff on it? so by the same reasoning the side doors in my jeep would become useless by default and i could only use the hatch door.
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I think the c pillar rule should stay...it is not street to have the box right up behind the seat....imo....besides...you can get just as loud with thre box back there...you still have over 4'x2'x4 1/2' to work with for subs amps and a batt..you can get a gigantic box in there...and the rear glass gives you a better effect than firing into the seats does....
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my opinion is, the c-pillar rule should stay aswell. especially now that our street van is halfway done and besides, how many everyday driver applications have you ever seen with the box in a van pushed all the way up to the front seats firing forward. i personally have been an installer for 12 years and i have never seen it before. the first time i ever seen it was in team cheatercenter's van. and i never seen it in any other application since then but strictly for comps. to me, that setup was against the intention of the street class. also, i believe that the whole "which amp is, or is not, a true monoblock" is a pandoras box best left unopened. but i do agree that MUCH STRICTER battery rules need to be ENFORCED! i can't believe what some competitors got away with in the battery area.
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for instance, i know of one competitor with a crx that would drive to a comp on a regular battery, then, change to a much larger battery for the show. i felt like that was just ridiculus. and i thought to myself "whats next? will street guys start trailoring their cars to shows?" imagine my surprise when i seen a street crx on a trailor! to me, there is getting to be too much "super" in the street class. and even a little too much "extreme" in the superstreet class. but thats just my opinion.
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I don't see any daily driver setups with 2 12" woofers that cost a small fortune and 8000wrms of powwer either but that is what is being used...for people to think that street class in its current form reflects a daily driver setup at all is very foolish...these cars are built for SPL just like an extreme or superstreet is. There is really no point in using tha arguement that we want to keep it for daily drivers because currently there are really no setups being usd in street that reflect a daily driving setup...I think we should just come to terms with that fact and just level the playing field for all vehicles with the knowledge that no matter what you do street will NEVER reflect a daily driving setup. I mean I don't know that many people who drive arounmd without music on, stop at a stop light, turn their car off, give it one full blast, restart their car and keep driving with their system off! It makes me laugh when the daily driving arguement comes up...especially since if you even saw a person with a dbdrag vehicle on the street and asked them to turn it on for you they would be like "sorry I can't my amps are runnying at a quarter the load they are rated at and so I can't actually listen to music on it without myt whole car catching fire"...yup...thats alot like a realy daily driver...but since you can't change stop that then we really should stop trying to be something we aren't and drop some of these retarded rules (another example is the quad rule...which is completely stupid especially since alot of people now daily drive with quads for some reason and they put you at no advantage whatsoever other then allowing you to run the amp at 1/8th its rated impedance instead of only 1/4)
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tom what about my post? it perfectly reflects what u say about street class not being street. shouldnt all the cars be allowd to put the box on top of the folded seats then?
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I pretty sure the C-pillar thing insn't up for rules revision. The rules are better now than ever. I really doubt that Wayne will reverse that rule now. 2 years ago, it was seen as a loophole, and the rules were revised to corect it.
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yep, tom's right. lets just eliminate street all together and just have super street and extreme. since the street class is a bunch of cars set up for comp only, then why not? i know that wayne will never eliminate his big money class. but something must be done to preserve the fine line between street and superstreet.
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: -the rule that makes minivans have their boxes behind the C pillar should be removed...it was a dumb rule at the time and is now even less applicable because now everyone has CRXs and is doing bigger numbers then those vans ever did. ...
You STILL haven't presented any info as to why that rule should be removed. Just because they wont do the numbers that the crx's are doing doesn't mean it's ANY more legal.
If such a stance is taken (which I dont believe it will) then boxes should be allowed on top of seats in SUV's which in that case you will see some HUGE HUGE numbers....
quote:Originally posted by Geo-X: for instance, i know of one competitor with a crx that would drive to a comp on a regular battery, then, change to a much larger battery for the show. i felt like that was just ridiculus. and i thought to myself "whats next? will street guys start trailoring their cars to shows?" imagine my surprise when i seen a street crx on a trailor! to me, there is getting to be too much "super" in the street class. and even a little too much "extreme" in the superstreet class. but thats just my opinion.
Ok I disagree 100% here. I am seriously contemplating doing the battery swap myself to preserve overall battery life on the set of batteries that set me back 300 bux.
Also I like the idea of trailering my 241,394 mile daily driver so it doesnt get any more miles on it.
Thirdly how the hell are you going to enforce something if you make a rule for it.
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quote:Originally posted by Geo-X: yep, tom's right. lets just eliminate street all together and just have super street and extreme. since the street class is a bunch of cars set up for comp only, then why not? i know that wayne will never eliminate his big money class. but something must be done to preserve the fine line between street and superstreet.
Wow and such a stance is quite short minded! (no offense bro) but street is the cheapest class going to finals, and if it weren't there db drag would have been long since dead. Street is going to be what supports this organization. No matter what anyone thinks SS1-2 on up is NOT going to keep db drag running...
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