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I haven't heard anyone bring this up yet. Why not allow quads to be in Street??? I never understood why it was against the rules to begin with. It would make it a lot easier to get impedence down. Cheaper too......since you wouldn't be running a "custom coil"
Please explain why or why not...........
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quote:Originally posted by RFLWagon: I haven't heard anyone bring this up yet. Why not allow quads to be in Street??? I never understood why it was against the rules to begin with. It would make it a lot easier to get impedence down. Cheaper too......since you wouldn't be running a "custom coil"
Please explain why or why not...........
I would say the reason is this: Street class is suppose to represent normal streetable systems. Most retailers have never even heard of quad coils, much less have access to them through normal distribution channels.
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How is a quad coil not streetable? Most retailers have never heard of Digital Designs either. Retailers have easier access to quads in general than Digital Designs speakers.
Multiple coils are for easy wiring or multiple amps, and amps are already restricted. They do not make the speaker louder.
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There are only a handful of manufacturers that are making quads and none of them are sold in Best Buy or Circuit City. For that matter I don't think any of the car audio stores in my area carry them either.
It's one if those not broke, don't fix it deals.
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The only people I know who have a quad coil woofer either bought it direct from a manufacturer, or bought it from a competitor who bought it direct from a manufacturer.
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Most streetable systems won't ever see a trailer. How many people drive around street beatin to a 4kw?????? Do you buy those at Best Buy??? Most people don't go out and drop $6000 on a sub amp, BUT that is legal for street class. So what compete's against that $6000 amp???? An amp that costs less but needs to see a lower impedence to put out optimum power.....the ONLY way to get the impedence low enough is to have Treo or DD or another manufacturer of those likes BUILD you a CUSTOM speaker with VERY low impedences. It would be cheaper to run a quad. A quad is a LOT easier to get than a custom coil configuration. How many dual .5 Treo CSXs have you seen????? I bet you've probobly seen more quad 1s. Point being that a quad is MORE common than these custom coil configurations.
Why limit the speakers when the power is limited by the amp?
Bottom line......we are allowing an amp with a retail of 6 grand to be deamed "a common everyday street amp" Why not level the playing feild a bit and allow quad woofers???? They cost the SAME if not LESS than custom coils. It makes it easier to get recones and offers a LOT more options of hooking it up. Bottom bottom line.......your common street system ISN'T $8000. Why say we can't use a certain configuration IN the speaker.........is it or is it not basically the same speaker if it's quad or dual???????? For those of you who know......what REALLY makes a speaker quad coil???? I may be wrong here but I was told the only difference between a quad and a dual is the way the coil is wired under the dust cap (for the most part)
Besides when was the last time you saw ANY equiptment from best buy (or any other national chain of that sort) in the brakets at FINALS????
Besides with more common street classes coming for the season I think that if a 4kw or Crown 6k is allowed in the class it's really a waste to limit coil configuration.
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QUOTE]I would say the reason is this: Street class is suppose to represent normal streetable systems. Most retailers have never even heard of quad coils, much less have access to them through normal distribution channels. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Is a SINGLE amp costing $6000 considered a "normal streetable system" Are they available through normal distribution channels????
How many speaker companies are in the stereo stores that DON'T offer a quad coil???? A lot of the stereo stores around here are beginning to push quads. I think almost every company out there that manufactures speakers will be making a quad by next year. So if the manufacturers are offering them then why are they so un common????
I do understand your point Bobby but do you understand mine?
Maybe this is something we need to decide on after the classes are closer to being done. Maybe keep them illegal in the lower classes but let them into the higher power street classes. I just think it's dumb to limit speakers when the amps have no limit.
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why would you want to use quads in street? you can only have a certain amount of power in street, quad coils are generally 2-3x the weight than a dvc. sure let quads in, be louder with duals.
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If duals are louder than who really cares if they are allowed????? My point was that it was cheaper to get a common quad 12 then a custom dual. Example....2 D3s in street A. Amps need to see .2-.25
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after thinking about it why not let quads back into street.
just because BB and CC don't carry them does that mean they should be outlawed?? I don't think so. I don't see Kicker or JL being sold at CC or BB.
Limiting the # of channels will limit the use of quads being used as quads. I would venture to guess Quads would be series or paralleled into DVC configs for amp matching in most cases.
I vote 4 coils or less is allowed in any class. K.I.S.S.
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I still want a state or regional final for street.
However if SS-1, or SS-1NW comes to be maybe i will do that with street equipment sound like fun bigger box more car mods, bigger installs are more fun than a high price.
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Ok Quads - the point is they are more exspensive (especially for us) and therefore the man in the STREEt dont spend that sort of money - stuff that deallers and sposered organisation can...rules out it being fair for the man in the street again. I vote no QUADS. this is street division you guys that have been in street for the last couple of years give it up to the young blood - if you havent won by now you are not going too or if you have you are being selfish, this is where its supposed to be growing.
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The people in street spend $6000 on a SINGLE amp. Obviuosly money IS NOT an issue in street. LIKE I said through the whole post quads are CHEAPER than custom coils and more common. AND IF the rules are changed they shouldn't be allowed in the lower street classes but SHOULD in the upper ones.
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a Quad coil runs about 50.00 more but look at a Brahma its a quad and runs 400.00 but a 13w7 lists out at 800-950 and a SVC 12w7 is over 500.00.
street people who don't compete spend more on highend subs that aren't quads than alot if not all the quad subs you can get your hands on from a retail level.
why outlaw Quads ??? name one good reason other than price since price isn't an issue.
might keep in mind # of amp channels is already limited.
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quote:Originally posted by bikemike: this is street division you guys that have been in street for the last couple of years give it up to the young blood - if you havent won by now you are not going too or if you have you are being selfish, this is where its supposed to be growing.
No class in dB Drag Racing is for a newbie, and it never will be. No matter how you limit the class, a seasoned pro can still build newbie's box and destroy the average person. Period.
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if someone wants to run quads in Street, they should be able to, since as other have said heavy and take more power to move. Amps to drive them are available, like the SPL-Dynamics in the current Street A record holding Panda, those are some fat amps, obviously able to run off a single battery, so if a person wants quads and large amps let them, whats to say some one with a dvc woofer can't beat them with a better box???
I can attest to retailers not knowing about Quad coil woofers, I went into a shop and got told if company X requires to use 4 coils instead of 2 coils them must make **** woofers!! Yeah WTF, salesmen need to do more market research. I'd run quads if i was running in street class
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: why would you want to use quads in street? you can only have a certain amount of power in street, quad coils are generally 2-3x the weight than a dvc. sure let quads in, be louder with duals.
quote:Originally posted by Graeme: if someone wants to run quads in Street, they should be able to, since as other have said heavy and take more power to move. Amps to drive them are available, like the SPL-Dynamics in the current Street A record holding Panda, those are some fat amps, obviously able to run off a single battery, so if a person wants quads and large amps let them, whats to say some one with a dvc woofer can't beat them with a better box???
I can attest to retailers not knowing about Quad coil woofers, I went into a shop and got told if company X requires to use 4 coils instead of 2 coils them must make **** woofers!! Yeah WTF, salesmen need to do more market research. I'd run quads if i was running in street class
where do you get that from? Quad's are the same weight and take the same amount of power to drive as a DVC...the motor structure on quad's are the same size as their DVC version...and you can only fit so much coil in the gap, so they can't handle anymore power....
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Why were quads banned origionally? (Not sarcasim, I am truely curious...)
I do see a problem though if two changes are enacted. Unlimited amps and quads in street would turn it into a mini superstreet with 1 or 2 batteries...lol
Just throwing stuff out here...
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$6000.00 a small car in South Africa. and price diff btwn a dual and quad is double and we pay a hugh premium - as everthing is imported, the guys dont go down to the quick mart with $50 and expect to walk out with a competition sub - it will cost him thousands. But non the less do we want to make all the divisions th
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