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I personally don't have a problem with them in street as they would be at a disadvantage because of the enclosure needing to be behind the rearmost side door.
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As much as I can see people complaining about this, it would make street class alot more fair (lets face it, the price of a crx is getting out of hand these days).
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Yea the 2f2f tax stamp keeps going up and up and up....but alan.....we have talked about this before what will work and be legal for street. And that is basicaly the same shape as a cargo van.
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If cargo vans are aloud back in street and are allowed to push the boxes forward then I will have one. I am sick of people trying to make classes to fit them and change rules to better themselves and hold others back. I've had multiple chances to use a Rex because we had one collecting dust within a team and Vans are a dime a dozen around here lol. But I stuck with my daily driver and busted my A$$ only to watch others break that grey area and boldly go were no man has gone before. If this goes through then plan to see me in the lanes with a POS Van and an install that will push the limits of Street.
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How many kids do you see pimpin out a CARGO VAN? i vote to keep street, just what it is....street cars.
also, i vote that Wayne makes a manditory rule, that no POS, rusted out, primered or crappy painted vehicles at finals... If you can afford to build it, make it look good.
quote:Originally posted by Mike_Stiers: If cargo vans are aloud back in street and are allowed to push the boxes forward then I will have one. I am sick of people trying to make classes to fit them and change rules to better themselves and hold others back. I've had multiple chances to use a Rex because we had one collecting dust within a team and Vans are a dime a dozen around here lol. But I stuck with my daily driver and busted my A$$ only to watch others break that grey area and boldly go were no man has gone before. If this goes through then plan to see me in the lanes with a POS Van and an install that will push the limits of Street.
exactly.. i totally agree.. lets see more daily drivers and less crx's and other vehicles like that..
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actually maybe even make a rule that street cars can't be towed to shows, but must be driven and they must have valid insurance, plates, etc (dunno if thats already a rule).. keep it as street as possible.
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also, i vote that Wayne makes a manditory rule, that no POS, rusted out, primered or crappy painted vehicles at finals... If you can afford to build it, make it look good.
Sorry but I spend too much money after my accident at NOPI(Tampa) and it was to either get loud and try to win or to go in a pretty a$$ truck and finish dead last. Call me what you want but I made it and I acomplish what I wanted
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quote:Originally posted by Mike_Stiers: If cargo vans are aloud back in street and are allowed to push the boxes forward then I will have one. I am sick of people trying to make classes to fit them and change rules to better themselves and hold others back. I've had multiple chances to use a Rex because we had one collecting dust within a team and Vans are a dime a dozen around here lol. But I stuck with my daily driver and busted my A$$ only to watch others break that grey area and boldly go were no man has gone before. If this goes through then plan to see me in the lanes with a POS Van and an install that will push the limits of Street.
exactly.. i totally agree.. lets see more daily drivers and less crx's and other vehicles like that..
Ok, so what if your CRX is your daily driver and has 150k+ miles on it? Is that ok then?
The "rearmost pillar" rule was introduced after the 02 season when cargo vans dominated street because they built up to the b-pillar, removing the factory removable seats and claiming they were cargo minis. Some were cargo that came with totally stipped interiors, I don't think all of them were. Cargo van's weren't disallowed in street, they just had to move enclosures back.
And in case some of you weren't paying attention this year - yes, there was a mini-CRX meet at finals, but also in the top eight in Street A, after many CRX's had not made brackets were a trunk car (mike), pick up (matt r) and SUV (eric). There was a minivan in street B this year from Canada, and if memory serves, they made brackets with it.
Every vehicle has distinct advantages and disadvantages. CRXs lose in airspace capability and charging (when the stock alt rule was in place), but make up for it with smaller cabin area to pressurize over. Larger vehicles like SUVs have more cargo space to work with, and stronger alternators (granted, that isn't so much an issue now that all cars are "off" in the lanes. You want to talk about streetability - how is not running the engine not daily-driving).
Street's rules are pretty solid as they are. There are yes, a few gray areas that may need some clarification.
What's really needed is some way of doing more of an entry level - standardizing MSDs and getting them nation-wide perhaps.
As I've been saying the past four years - nearly 50% of all competitor members of dbDrag are street-level competitors. And for the 50% there've been two classes. Street competitors are the ones most likely to buy from retailers, most likely to support the industry fully.
Don't get me wrong, the SS and Extreme guys' numbers surely draw the crowds, but I have lost count of how many times I've heard "wow, yeah, but there's no way I can compete with that."
Having only two street classes bites - part of why we took this year off was to let a couple other kids have a whack at winning. It got to the point in '02 where if our CRX was there, people didn't enter, because we were running at a national level (blew it at finals, but we made it there). And we drove the CRX, with the stuff two adults needed for five days, the 1200 miles to Nashville and back.
I don't think the rules are the problem, there's just not sufficient places to play.
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So what do people want...ban CRXs? If that were to happen,the next loudest vehicle style in line would just step up and it would start all over again.
BTW...Team BYOB was in Street B with a Jeep wrangler and made brackets.
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: actually maybe even make a rule that street cars can't be towed to shows, but must be driven and they must have valid insurance, plates, etc (dunno if thats already a rule).. keep it as street as possible.
This will not work, in our team, I usually tow our Street A truck, just to save on gas.
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quote:Originally posted by Chris B: actually maybe even make a rule that street cars can't be towed to shows, but must be driven and they must have valid insurance, plates, etc (dunno if thats already a rule).. keep it as street as possible.
This will not work, in our team, I usually tow our Street A truck, just to save on gas.
Sure it can work, just tow it within a block, unload and BAM!!! its not towed to the show.
Seriously though, when making a rules suggestion, think about how it can be policed. If it can't be policed, then it doesn't belong in the rulebook.
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quote:Originally posted by Bobby Riley: Sure it can work, just tow it within a block, unload and BAM!!! its not towed to the show.
Seriously though, when making a rules suggestion, think about how it can be policed. If it can't be policed, then it doesn't belong in the rulebook.
I was thinking the same thing...
If I was to see Team Bio tow a streetcar to a So. Cal. show... I wouldn't be ticked... Racking up unnecessary mileage, and burning extra gas doesn't accomplish anything.
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quote:Originally posted by Old SchoolSPL: How many kids do you see pimpin out a CARGO VAN? i vote to keep street, just what it is....street cars.
As much as I see your point, the argument really means nothing. How many kids do you see driving around with 2 4 kw's in a crx? exactly......
BINGO........How many of the WINNING street set ups this year would actually be able to play music ballz out........and still be able to sound as good as a REAL street setup???? We all know that street isn't really "Street" How do I know this?????? It costs more to compete in Street than it does to compete in Super Street.
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Maybe our CRX is the exception, not the rule. I've used it a couple times to compete with for IASCA SQ and done relatively decently - bass heavy and a bit of a staging issue because it pulled backwards - but ours is VERY capable of playing music without difficulty. And this was during the season we had it at finals.
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quote:Originally posted by Old SchoolSPL: also, i vote that Wayne makes a manditory rule, that no POS, rusted out, primered or crappy painted vehicles at finals... If you can afford to build it, make it look good.
quote:Originally posted by Old SchoolSPL: also, i vote that Wayne makes a manditory rule, that no POS, rusted out, primered or crappy painted vehicles at finals... If you can afford to build it, make it look good.
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not to stir up to much crap but...perhaps they should make the 4kw illegal in street(and other obvious non streetable amplifiers) & move it up to ss,like the ppl that are using them should have done in the first place.seeing that a few people found a way to evade that rule last year.the amplifier dimension rule would work good at making a true street class.imo if you can't drive around listening to it all day long ,as a daily driver IT IS NOT STREET ANYMORE.
quote:Originally posted by Old SchoolSPL: also, i vote that Wayne makes a manditory rule, that no POS, rusted out, primered or crappy painted vehicles at finals... If you can afford to build it, make it look good.
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