I think a bit of clarification on interiors must be made. The way its going now we will see body shaped compartments in each side. Heck most of them, you can't sit in them like you would in a "typical seating arrangment"
I don't really mind the way it is I am just giving a heads up to a future problem with bending rules.
I would like to see a solid set of requirements laid out to define what is legal and what is not when it comes to interior size and actually having a 5'7" person sit in your vehicle in a "typical seated position".
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someone qualified (judge) or even the owner please explain how that is legal ?
------------------------------------------------- The passenger compartment must accommodate 2 average size adults contestants, sitting side by side
While seated, the location of the contestant’s heels may not be located at a point that is higher than the plane on which the contestant is sitting.
Additional Requirements for Extreme Division competitors
· Each competitor must provide adequate space for the placement of the microphone stand on the passenger side of the vehicle. (A minimum 12-inch diameter horizontal flat surface is required.)
· Competitors are requested to attach 3 straps (tie-down, Velcro, or equivalent), spaced in a Y configuration, to hold the legs of the microphone stand in place.
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3-4 The passenger compartment must accommodate 2 average size adults contestants, sitting side by side, facing forward, in a traditional seating arrangement. (Intent: The passenger compartment of the vehicle should approximate that of a typical vehicle.)
Additional Guidelines:
· For clarification purposes, the dBDRA defines an average size contestant as someone who is 66 inches (5’ 6” or 167.64cm) tall. (The actual contestant does not necessarily need to be the one who sits in the vehicle to demonstrate compliance with the following tests. However, if another individual is used to demonstrate compliance, that individual must meet or exceed the specified height requirements as defined above.)
· For clarification purposes, contestants must be capable of demonstrating compliance with this rule on both the driver and passenger sides of the vehicle.
· Contestants may not lean forward, backward, or to one side when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· Contestants may not tilt their head forward, backward or to one side when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· Contestants may not sit “cross-legged” nor may they “squat” or “kneel” when demonstrating compliance with this rule. In all instances, contestants must place their feet in front of their bodies when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· While seated, the location of the contestant’s heels may not be located at a point that is higher than the plane on which the contestant is sitting.
· No part of the contestant’s body may be located behind the front surface of the subwoofer enclosure’s front baffle board when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· While seated, the distance between a contestant’s knees and chin shall be at least 12 inches (30.48cm). (Compliance with this rule can be verified by laying a mic jig across the contestant’s knees and then measuring the distance from the center of the jig to the contestant’s chin.)
Acording to those rules most extreme vehicles would not pass. God forbid if they were asked to put a racing type seat in there vehicles for rule compliance proof.
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dB Don, So why have the rules? Alot of us ARE building cars to the rules, only to see much higher numbers, and finals trophies going to illegal cars. Wayne???
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I propose we all put down some ideas on what the set guidelines should be. I spoke to Wayne about it and he might post some pics of what is intended but I will leave that totally up to him.
I suggest: -actually having a flat Dash from pillar to pillar(well within 13" of the mic it should be flat) no wider than 8" and no smaller than 5"
-Since the removal of the microphone stand I feel that we be required to have some sort of racing seat on both sides of the vehicle that can be removed from display and then compete with them out. So now the gray areas are less of an issue since we all have a pretend seat and a spot big enough for feet. And for those crazy enough, can sit a friend in the passenger side and give'em a blast of your system.
-The rest of the interior, knock yourself out being creative reducing the cabin volume to your liking.
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I agree with Db Don, I think that the interior should still be within the spirit of an actual 2 passenger vehicle, that 2 passengers could actually sit in. How you enforce this could be with a specified dimension as layed out by Wayne. Kind of like Nascar, they have a mold that the cars have to fit, otherwise they have to change.
Or maybe have a maximum center console size and door build out size.
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I am not a extreme competitor, but anyway....
I think it would be the easier to make a model of averaged sitting position person... like triangle with specified measurements, and everybody would build the same way, and there could not be any mistake made during the building of the car, everyone could make the model for himself and at the comp. the judges would not have hard work...
It is hard to even start building extreme vehicle, when you see real EXTREME in the pics, and rules sayin different... Of course the old dogs get away with everything, but what about the new extreme people?
Sorry for bad english!
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Db I agree - I think that the oem seat should be in place then taken out when competing - I must stress this is still a vehicle I think it should represent one. (interior)
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quote:Originally posted by bikemike: Db I agree - I think that the oem seat should be in place then taken out when competing - I must stress this is still a vehicle I think it should represent one. (interior)
why not take a picture of the interior with seat in place with a 5-6 ish person sitting in it.
Judges have a problem just show them the pics.
would be alot better than hauling a seat around.
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I think a Jig that everyone can make and use as a template for the seated placement in interiors might be another option as stated in another thread. Kinda like we have a jig for mic placement it would be easy to do a seated rule compliance test also.
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I think it's fine like it is. As long as the "test person" sits in the vehicle with all the panels in place, it should pass. I don't think you should have to buy seats, make mods to your vehicle to get them to fit, and carry them with you all over the place. I also don't agree with the sitting in front of the b pillar. I have a small old toyota 4door, and you sat behind the b-pillar when the factory seats were in it.
quote:Originally posted by scoupen: I think it's fine like it is. As long as the "test person" sits in the vehicle with all the panels in place, it should pass. I don't think you should have to buy seats, make mods to your vehicle to get them to fit, and carry them with you all over the place. I also don't agree with the sitting in front of the b pillar. I have a small old toyota 4door, and you sat behind the b-pillar when the factory seats were in it.
I agree with you Eric.
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This is why they call it EXTREME. I agree with the rules as it is. They could appoint a person for the day that fit's the dimentions to test all the cars. I had to rebuild my car because of this rule.
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Why limit the dash of an extreme car? Thats the whole idea of this class.(to build an extreme car) The people who have built the pockets and such were being creative within the rules to make their car as loud as possible. The people that dont want to do that should be in SS. I do agree that some of the interiors were a bit much, but according the the rules of '03 they were legal. If we are to change anything i think it should be minimal and with keeping the interiors somewhat practical. Maybe a set object is needed to be able to be placed on both sides of the cab to verify it being legal. this object needs to be easily attained or built to cause as little of a hassle as possible. Superior's car was just nuts. thats a crazy number. I dont really have a problem with the interiors as of right now, i just dont wanna see them get any worse.
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I think the rules need to be changes and more rules for extreme added.
I don't mind if they are to limit the mods to the cabins or leave them as is but I think far to many grey areas exist. And for someone like me in Australia find it hard to build a car when u see pics like above which IMO violate rules and yet pass for world finals.
It is a competitive sport and there will always be people pushing the rules as far as they can. the longer this is allowed to happen the futhure they are pushed. Stamp down hard on them now and set a standard for the new season or let us continue to prod the grey areas of the rules
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I like the idea Nathen mentioned about a jig we can all build out of wood and use that for the template. It would be good to see a width limit also on center consoles so they don't end up door to door.
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