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I think it would be cool to have a class with no woofers over 8" in diameter, and no more than 1 amp. Using Current street A rules for the install, and the normal freq limitations.
this would be a way to get the newbies into it.
Could you imagine the shock factor? "Dude, you can compete with 2 5 1/4's? Sweet!" (or something of the nature)
but the low power handling of smaller subs will take care of the amp problem. and small subs need small boxes, so it is really more suited to street.
could you imagine extreme class with 2 6" woofers and 4 801's?
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I like it. I am pushing for a single ten and a dual ten and a single amp. But yea,add an amp weight limit rule and you got my vote.
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What does weight have to do with anything? The heaviest amp I have is a 150W by 2 channels.
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If you place a limit that is easy to verify then sooner or later you get amps up to that limit and someone trying to get more performance is unable to. So,what does weight have to do with it? Just ask a jet pilot or a drag racer or formula one driver. A limit is a limit as in the JBL/CROWN being a non issue due to the car OFF rule. I have yet to see a 4 KW amp that is under two pounds. But do you have a 4 KW amp that is under this limit? See my point. Weight is a limit. A monster amp requires equivalent components. Other wise all of our two,four and six kilowatt amps are going to be the size of a matchbox. But none are. There is a reason. Or try making a 900 cubic centimeter engine outperform a big block V-8 engine. Big performance requires equivalent components. A big D3 amp has more mass than a D2 amp. A D2 is heavier than a JBL 1200.1
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No, I don't see your point. I don't own any two pound amps and a D3 in one of the lighter amps I have used. Also you can run a CROWN in a street car. Been there, done that.
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And the D3 tips the scales at: "42 pounds" Try using that amp in a category that has a two pound limit for an amp. The point,the point? With all due respect,but: Go play in regular Street A and up and stay out of entry level. A weight limit is a limit. We need an entry level category so the sport can grow,simple as that. And I have yet to see someone do a run with the JBL/CROWN amp with the car OFF in Street A.
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We need an entry level class but not a weight limit or size limit. You might as well say let's have a woofer weight limit also, does not mean a thing. Limit it to one amp and one woofer. You can't expect a promoter to weigh or go over every amp at a show. The rules need to be simple not more complexed. Think about it what is the only way to guarantee nobody cheats? Eliminate the rules.
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quote:Originally posted by russellburrows: I like it. I am pushing for a single ten and a dual ten and a single amp. But yea,add an amp weight limit rule and you got my vote.
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An amp weight limit rule whould just make someone make a plastic amp that can only play for 5 sec. Why don't we put an amprage (sp) limit say 60 amp max draw take reading at amp input. Only allow 1 amp max of 2 channels max of 15 volt
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Ok before this goes any further Wayne has stated no rules like this.The judge wouldn't be able to weigh amps at a show
quote: Originally posted by Wayne Harris Classes cannot be based on anything that requires a database (such as price, power, brand, etc.) Distinctions must be objective and must be measureable by the judge. (For example 1 woofer, 2 woofers, Amp Height+Width+Depth, etc.)
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quote:Originally posted by russellburrows: And the D3 tips the scales at: "42 pounds" Try using that amp in a category that has a two pound limit for an amp. The point,the point? With all due respect,but: Go play in regular Street A and up and stay out of entry level. A weight limit is a limit. We need an entry level category so the sport can grow,simple as that. And I have yet to see someone do a run with the JBL/CROWN amp with the car OFF in Street A.
FYI... A D3 doesn't weigh 42 lbs... a D3 weighs 14 lbs and is only slightly larger in physical size and wieght than a D2... And I don't know of many amps besides a roadgear250 that weigh 2 lbs... even that probably weighs 3 lbs.
don't mean to be rude but it's not a good idea.
quote:Originally posted by Chris B: how many kids do you see booming around the streets with a single 8?? NONE is my area..
I have a single 8 in my daily driver... it's all I need and I love it.
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quote:Originally posted by tucked65: Maybe this would show them the box is important? I think DBdrag has an obligation to inform people about the science behind all this.
It is quite obvious that you have never built a true SPL car. You can use science to figure out approximately where the note should be. That's about it. Most (Not saying all), people just say, this worked before, lets try it now. There really isn't that much science involved.
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quote:Originally posted by tucked65: I think it would be cool to have a class with no woofers over 8" in diameter, and no more than 1 amp. Using Current street A rules for the install, and the normal freq limitations.
this would be a way to get the newbies into it.
Could you imagine the shock factor? "Dude, you can compete with 2 5 1/4's? Sweet!" (or something of the nature)
but the low power handling of smaller subs will take care of the amp problem. and small subs need small boxes, so it is really more suited to street.
could you imagine extreme class with 2 6" woofers and 4 801's?
What is the most popular size of woofer for normal street beat systems out there. 10s followed by 12s, then 15s and 8s. Would this class benefit 90% of the consumers in car audio, or a select few who use rare 6.5 inch woofers in unique enclosures.
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quote:Originally posted by tucked65: I think it would be cool to have a class with no woofers over 8" in diameter, and no more than 1 amp. Using Current street A rules for the install, and the normal freq limitations.
this would be a way to get the newbies into it.
Could you imagine the shock factor? "Dude, you can compete with 2 5 1/4's? Sweet!" (or something of the nature)
but the low power handling of smaller subs will take care of the amp problem. and small subs need small boxes, so it is really more suited to street.
could you imagine extreme class with 2 6" woofers and 4 801's?
What is the most popular size of woofer for normal street beat systems out there. 10s followed by 12s, then 15s and 8s. Would this class benefit 90% of the consumers in car audio, or a select few who use rare 6.5 inch woofers in unique enclosures.
couldn't have said it better myself... excellent points.
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