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done alot of thinking and talking with some people on this. get rid of street altogether, classes should be like this
balls to the wall nw 1-2 no cutting of exterior vehicle of any sort, nw 3-4 sponsorships allowed, otherwise same rules nw 5+ as superstreet
wall 1 these will be allowed to cut their wall 2 vehicles, same rules as ss wall 3-4 wall 5-8 wall 9+
ex1 dash rules must be enforced period, no wave ex2 guide of anysort allowed to be indashes. ex3-4 ex5-8 ex9+
now for other shows maybe there should be a street or a ministreet category, but there should be loose rules, and these people get like a trophy if they are top 8 in their class for finals, but they are not invited to compete.
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And just how well is the kid with the Best Buy system going to hold up in the NW classes?
The whole point is to bring more people in and keep the ones that currently compete coming back...
Although, I would be all for it, cause I've got monster amps, I just need batteries (and a loud box).
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the kid with the best buy system is not going to compete in street, he will get stomped, 1 show and out. this is what the ministreet is for, our serious competitors are balls to the wall, they do everything to the max. this system gts rid of the street bitching about amps and batteries.
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o.m.g i dont think so that would take people away no bring them in to enjoy and learn
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: the kid with the best buy system is not going to compete in street, he will get stomped, 1 show and out. this is what the ministreet is for, our serious competitors are balls to the wall, they do everything to the max. this system gts rid of the street bitching about amps and batteries.
Spoken like someone who doesn't have to pay for his own equipment.
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YEAH RIGHT! I too buy my own equipment and see this as a way to stop new people from joining dbDrag. People MS is a joke. It is not a mandatory class for one thing and for another I am not about to drive to another state for a class that will never go to finals. MECA keeps looking better and better but I think it is sorry compared to dbDrag. I mean, sealed with the mic on the dash is the only true measure of pressure and the head to head is where the fun is at! This will never go through so I am not worried about it.
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: done alot of thinking and talking with some people on this. get rid of street altogether, classes should be like this
balls to the wall nw 1-2 no cutting of exterior vehicle of any sort, nw 3-4 sponsorships allowed, otherwise same rules nw 5+ as superstreet
wall 1 these will be allowed to cut their wall 2 vehicles, same rules as ss wall 3-4 wall 5-8 wall 9+
ex1 dash rules must be enforced period, no wave ex2 guide of anysort allowed to be indashes. ex3-4 ex5-8 ex9+
now for other shows maybe there should be a street or a ministreet category, but there should be loose rules, and these people get like a trophy if they are top 8 in their class for finals, but they are not invited to compete.
great way to loose half the competitors of dbdrag and allow no new people to come into it.
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quote:Originally posted by ss454: YEAH RIGHT! I too buy my own equipment and see this as a way to stop new people from joining dbDrag. People MS is a joke. It is not a mandatory class for one thing and for another I am not about to drive to another state for a class that will never go to finals. MECA keeps looking better and better but I think it is sorry compared to dbDrag. I mean, sealed with the mic on the dash is the only true measure of pressure and the head to head is where the fun is at! This will never go through so I am not worried about it.
Did you miss Wayne's orignal post? The idea is to attract people to DbDrag. If you don't want to be in a class with a load of new people, get out of street. Posts: 577 | From: wienerpeg canada | Registered: Sep 2002
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im am just sick and tired of hearing all this whining about amps, batteries, vehicles blah blah blah. this much whining usually comes from people in usac. street is a joke, ministreet is a bigger joke. eliminate all of them. unfortunately reality does set in, we aren't getting many "new people" for finals every year with the current set up. no one can decide on a set up which brings in new comeptitors. ss1 is the only thing so far that would bring in some. unfortunately dbdrag has been on the decline since 1999. people want to see vehicles with 12 15s, not people with 1 18. just the way it is, yes many people do not like my idea, thats cool, but street is a burden on dbdrag, same with ministreet. cut your losses, too many posts about classes that don't even matter.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: >>Klip<< cut your losses, too many posts about classes that don't even matter.
To you... The end
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quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: im am just sick and tired of hearing all this whining about amps, batteries, vehicles blah blah blah. this much whining usually comes from people in usac. street is a joke, ministreet is a bigger joke. eliminate all of them. unfortunately reality does set in, we aren't getting many "new people" for finals every year with the current set up. no one can decide on a set up which brings in new comeptitors. ss1 is the only thing so far that would bring in some. unfortunately dbdrag has been on the decline since 1999. people want to see vehicles with 12 15s, not people with 1 18. just the way it is, yes many people do not like my idea, thats cool, but street is a burden on dbdrag, same with ministreet. cut your losses, too many posts about classes that don't even matter.
dude.. think before you post..
Street and mini-street are pretty much the classes bringing in new people. Plus if you say dbdrag has been on the decline, why the hell would you want to add more classes than not many people are in, and eliminate the classes where the most people are in..
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hey think before you speak. i have talked with many dbdraggers that want a 3-4 nw. looks as if there will be an ss1 that will bring in some iasca/slap group. the thing is people have not been coming in. its not going to all of a sudden have another 500 people join dbdrag to compete in street, am i the only one seeing that. street is a burden, classes will not be growing from what wayne said. perhaps we need to have ss5+ and ex 5+. all i know is during a season there is way too much controversy in street, so nip it in the bud. the way it is has a potential competitor get smoked by 15 db, then they don't compete again. get rid of street altogether.
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Not only have you been rude and tried to start problems before, but this idea seems completely ludicrous to me. There is NO reason to eliminate Street or even Mini-Street. Maybe you haven't competed in the Midwest, but to the RETAILERS and PROMOTERS the Street and Mini-Street Divisions are the BREAD AND BUTTER.
Just because YOU don't want to compete in either of those divisions and don't want to hear any of the complaining about classes, equipment, etc. does not mean that it is not important and very valid to some other people.
Also, in case you haven't checked - there are many complaints, suggestions, etc. on the other classes as well.
Your idea of LOOSE rules is what sparks controversy and draws more negative attention to the industry that supports this hobby that so many of us enjoy.
If you don't really enjoy the hobby/sport maybe you should find another field to play on.
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please do not post negative responses, especially for people who do not compete. ok tara, you can tell tom that as well. street needs to be done away with, sorry but that class sparks the most cdontroversy along with the illegal dashes. if you are not moving forward, you are not helping.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: if you are not moving forward, you are not helping.
Please read what you have posted and try to adhere to that. And please check your attitude when you login to this forum. We are having discussions on rules proposals, not argueing over trivial things.
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Eliminating street? That won't happen. The majority of the competitors in most local comps. are in street class, you want to elinate that? You do that, and then there will be fewer and fewer comps. (Less people with big bucks to run lots of amps and batts.) That would kill DB Drag, that's supposed to be moving forward? I don't think so.
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I feel street is needed and for the most part has good rules with the exception of the equal sized batteries front and rear and no clear battery size limits.
same goes for the extreme interior mods.
some tweaking needs to be done, not get arid of the class or rules completely.
be productive and inclusive not exclusive.
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that is the responses i like. he did not agree with me, but he presented what he has to say in a nice orderly manner. thanx randy for being so civilized.
quote:Originally posted by jarfunkz: please do not post negative responses, especially for people who do not compete.
If this quote was to imply that I do not compete I think you know VERY well that I do compete and have been competing for many years now. Not to mention having been on the retailer and promotion end of the spectrum as well during my history with this organization.
Basis of my argument is, you are making what seems to be an uneducated proposal based upon your personal feelings, which I do not think is beneficial to the organization.
Bottom line is that street and mini-street competitors help to spark the local audio economy in MANY places (not all, I don't want this to be taken the wrong way).
There needs to be a "beginner" or "lower budget" class at finals for the simple reason that there are more competitors in those types of classes than there are in most extreme classes and they have worked hard to accumulate points and get high enough certified scores to get there just like those in the superstreet and extreme classes.
You still may not like my response, but from what I have seen these facts hold true and the mini-street and street classes are a vital part of this organization, EVEN if there is controversy and perhaps some of the rules need to be better defined, clarified, or altered.
Have a NICE day - I know what you're like in person and you fit the definition of Keyboard Commando quite well. (I apologize to any others if this comment is offensive - but it had to be said after his actions and what he had to say at finals).
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