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There is one thing as a retailer that still concerns me....How can we expect manufactures and retailers to continue to support db drag when the majority of the competitors use products that are not used in everyday applications?? To get more manufactures and retailers back into db drag we need to get a hold on the products that are being used.
Really, how many cars go out of any shop with quad coils and 8 amps for driving around? How about street cars with 8000 watts on 4 12” subs? I am a faithful backer of db drag at our shop, but these are the things that keep many other retailers and competitors in our area out of db drag.
Limiting coils and getting the STREET back into street class needs to happen for this sport to grow, I have 2 usaci shows a year and 3-6 db drags a year, I get 75-100 usaci cars at each show, I have to beg people to get 15-20 cars at our db drags, this is not because of no interest, people love the head to head format and the accurate mics, the problem lies in the few entry level classes that are available. I’m not saying add a bunch of classes , but we need to find a way to even up street class, and make the super street classes more appealing to a broader range of competitors. Mini Street is not the answer!!!!!
I know a lot of people like everything the way it is, but how many new faces did you see win this year?? How many new competitors were there at finals this year?? How many manufactures backed out of db drag this year?? How many retailers backed out of having shows this year?? Why are there no best buy, circuit city, American TV shows anymore????
We need to look at improving the rules to benefit the ones supporting the db drag….Who’s paying for booths?? ….Manufactures …..Whose holding shows???..... Retailers….Who sponsors vehicles???? …..Manufactures and Retailers…..Without theses two you have no consumers…..Consumers turn into competitors….. So focus the rules to benefit manufactures and retailers so they want to participate in db drag by sponsoring more shows, competitors, and db drag.
No matter what happens I will still back the db drag, but hopefully this dose not fall on deaf ears. This is my opinion so take it as that.
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I changed your link to the "Goals" post started by Wayne which has the same information that you posted.
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quote:Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota: Even MORE of a reason for street 1 and 2 classes!!
Street 1 - 1 12 or smaller, one batt in stock location, 2 channels unbridged ONLY, one amp
Street 2 - 2 12s or smaller, one batt in stock loaction, 2 channels unbridged ONLY, one total amp
(of course car off)
Then have street a and b from last year.
Agreed. The kids that come and ask about the future DB Drag event are driving me bonkers asking for a single ten inch driver class with a single amp.
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quote:Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota: Even MORE of a reason for street 1 and 2 classes!!
Street 1 - 1 12 or smaller, one batt in stock location, 2 channels unbridged ONLY, one amp
Street 2 - 2 12s or smaller, one batt in stock loaction, 2 channels unbridged ONLY, one total amp
(of course car off)
Then have street a and b from last year.
I like this...
I read that Wayne did not want to add to the over all amount of classes but did want to add to the street class.
it would be nice to have 2 more 4 total street class but i only think Wayne would at 1 more and that being Street 1 but what do i know i have never even competed at a db drag event
plus im going to run street a so i do not care if their is a street 1 or street 2 subs one batt
just as long as street a stays the same
add Jer Web i very much go a long with what you say and support you 100%
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Thanks jeremy - Your words where not in vein. I have reduced my total events in South Africa for the very reason you mention. It has come to my attention that there are people who dont care about the bigger picture, but would rather do as much as possible for personal gain so I have run minimal Superstreet and Extreme cars for this year and have concentrated on Street and Mini street.
I find ministreet very popular due to the huge expensive of equipment in Africa (we pay a premium) we run it such and the guys are very happy with the format, I have also found that the pros are acctually staying out.
Mini Street 1 Competitors are limited to a maximum of 2 each 8-inch woofers and a single multi-channel amp.
Mini Street 2 Competitors are limited to a maximum of 2 each 10-inch woofers and a single multi-channel amp
If there are not enough competitors for both divisions they will be combined [Mini Street]
Additional Guidelines for the Mini Street Division: Each subwoofer amplifier is limited to a maximum of 4 “non-bridged” output channels or 2 “bridged” output channels. Amplifiers used for non-subwoofer applications will not be counted. Subwoofers may not contain more than 1 voice coil per sub. (ie SVC) Cargo vans and commercial vehicles are prohibited from competing in the Street Division. Sponsored vehicles are not permitted in the Mini Street Division.
Thanks for supoporting dbdrags Im certain everyone involved is happy to have the support of retailers as yourself as times are tough around the world.
Mike
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quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Weber: There is one thing as a retailer that still concerns me....How can we expect manufactures and retailers to continue to support db drag when the majority of the competitors use products that are not used in everyday applications?? To get more manufactures and retailers back into db drag we need to get a hold on the products that are being used.
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I agree with you that we should bring more manufacturers, retailers and other sponsors int this sport.
But I don't agree that it is all in winning companies.
Does drivers of F1 smoke? But they have a lot of tobaco industry sponsors And there is also a milion other companies that might benefit from beeing visible as advertisers in this sport.
Manufacturers: it doesn't take just expensive subs and amps to win. Where are HU manufacturers? Cable manufacturers, battery manufacturers... We are also big fans of car audio and we all have cars for everyday driving, so there is also chance for front end manufacturers, manufacturers of amps for everyday listening...
Retail stores: why do we have MS clases? So retail stores can organize local classes to organize competitors for beginners and people that just wants first measurements. Retail stores should be active and talk to competitors and talk to people and sugest them how to improve sistems. That will also improve sales People will go from 20 $ subs to 100 $ sub, than bigger amp, more cables, bigger batteries, show people better systems...ideal conditions for improving sales.
But we must ask sponsors if they will give money, and we must show them benefits if they will do that.
Peter
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hey i run quad 18's for daily driving. of course my ears hurt a little
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Im gonna have to agree with jeremy on this. More circut city shows, more best buy shows along with american. Jeremy is the only one that has DB drag shows thats with in a couple hours drive of myself(beaver dam). And the last show of his i was at was advetised as dbdrag and usaci, there was the usaci show but no db drag (maybe i left to early) I thought that there wasnt enough interest in it, thats why there wasnt a show. I would deffinetly say there has to be a street 1 and maybe a street 2. My take on it is that there would be so much more interest in this orginization if there was more entry level classes. Another thing is, is that there has to be a better grasp on the power issues i guess you could say. The problem with the the street 1 and street 2 is that somone could have 2000 watts, and another beginer with only 500 watts. One of my last Ideas would be to have a NOVICE and PRO street 1 & 2, which would be seperated by power (Novice: 0-1000 Pro: 1001+) becasue there always the people out there that will get around the rules no matter what. And my LAST AND FINAL Idea is BETTER TECH INSPECTION & RULES ENFORCEMENT, mainly amplifiers...
Ughhh to much typing...
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I thought the only way to make a street system more streetable would be a sign sweep over 40-(?) hzs. taking the average spl reading. Isn't most street boxes designed for a range this would limit ports. high peaking spl only boxes limit amps a little. and make for better sound spl boxes that are more like the normal street boxes.
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although it would not be easy, putting some division of classes by wattage wouldnt be a bad idea. Street A can have a 1000watt or lower class and another class (like Street A Pro) with a 1000+ watt. Something to that effect.
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quote:Originally posted by nodestiny: although it would not be easy, putting some division of classes by wattage wouldnt be a bad idea. Street A can have a 1000watt or lower class and another class (like Street A Pro) with a 1000+ watt. Something to that effect.
The problem with that is when amps start coming out with 8ohm ratings that are 1ohm stable...like what Zapco did in the past.....if an amp is say rated at 500wts @ 8ohms and listed at no lower of an impeadance than that but it is made to do over 2000wts @ 1ohm it would still only count as a 500wt amp.....
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quote:Originally posted by nodestiny: although it would not be easy, putting some division of classes by wattage wouldnt be a bad idea. Street A can have a 1000watt or lower class and another class (like Street A Pro) with a 1000+ watt. Something to that effect.
The problem with that is when amps start coming out with 8ohm ratings that are 1ohm stable...like what Zapco did in the past.....if an amp is say rated at 500wts @ 8ohms and listed at no lower of an impeadance than that but it is made to do over 2000wts @ 1ohm it would still only count as a 500wt amp.....
True, but why not meter the amp, or have a set ohm for the amps. Like in street 1, have it like this:
Street 1: 1 sub, 1 amp bridged up to 4 ohms mono or up to 1 ohm on a mono amp.
I think having some type of power difference would vastly improve the popularity, its just a mater of coming up with a solution that would be fair too all competitors.
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