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I say make it a tested power cap. For example, contact manufacturer obtain a list of all amplifiers and their maximum capability of power under the best situation and create a list. Then make a power cap.
Now many of you will say, well you cant police all these amps etc. You wont have too, only certain amps will come up as problem amps and that will be very few, at most 5%. And you handle the situation as it comes.
Easy, Quick, and Fair.
Eric
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Why can't you just use the existing rules, but have a "amp ban" list? Similar to what SPLenduro has? That to me would a lot simpler... as you can just ban the amps that "aren't" in the spirit of Street class without having to make up rules with potential loopholes?
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150's is the aim, S1-2 is the game... Posts: 159 | From: Australia | Registered: May 2002
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: Proposal 1 - Street Class Amplifier
Outlawing 4kW-style amps will not eliminate high-cost high-output amps in the Street class! Therefore it does not accomplish it's goal and will only needlessly discriminate against one type of manufacture.
We will still see high-cost high-output ,4000Wrms+, amps in the Street class! This proposal does not eliminate newer amplifiers, such as the JBL/Crown A6000GTi amp, Audiobahn A5000SPL amp, Digital Designs 9501, or any other future high-cost high-output amplifiers.
Stated by multiple Digital Designs phone techs: 9501 output power is over 4000Wrms into one channel. In addition if DD put two in one case, they are bridgeable, we would see a amp that would output 8000Wrms into one channel.
Side note: The proposal would eliminate possible Ultra-high-cost Ultra-high-output amps, such as eight 9501s in a case producing 32,000Wrms into 4 channels. An amplifier such as this is legal under current rules. Digital designs could call it a 9904 and retail it for $10,000.
quote:Originally posted by SPLfreek: I say make it a tested power cap. For example, contact manufacturer obtain a list of all amplifiers and their maximum capability of power under the best situation and create a list. Then make a power cap.
Now many of you will say, well you cant police all these amps etc. You wont have too, only certain amps will come up as problem amps and that will be very few, at most 5%. And you handle the situation as it comes.
Easy, Quick, and Fair.
Eric
I like this idea, but to me it had a couple of problems.
Two questions:
1) If the amp is questionable, who does the testing and who pays for it to be tested, the dBDRA? How does the dBDRA acquire an amp for testing? What impedance is it tested at, lowest published, or lowest used by competitors? Resistive or reactive test? Who is reponsible for making the master list available to all certified judges?
2) How do you rate modified amplifiers. Is a modded D2 rated at 2000 watts? Are all D2s rated the same as a modded one?
I understand that you only need to test the questionable ones, but that still could be upwards of 10-15 amps depending on where the limit is set. At roughly $100-150 an amp to test, that could be over $1000 cost to the dBDRA.
I think an acccurate power cap that was strictly enforced would be the best thing that could happen for the street class, I also think it has the most loopholes of any of the possibilities. What would happen if Zapco came out with a 2KW (power limit at 2000 watts) that looked just like a 4KW and had a chip in it to make only 2000 watts at exactly 4 ohms (where it would be tested), but at 3.8 it made 5000 watts? With the digital circuitry in that amp, it wouldn't be hard to do. Several amps currently have adjustable rail voltages.
I as much as anyone would love to see this as a rule, as watt for watt, I feel I can hang with anyone (numbers from finals should prove that). I'll think overnight about a full proposal for an effective power cap that would be beneficial to the dBDRA and the manufacturers, more on that tomorrow.
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meca has a database of amp ratings, why cant street just go back to a power cap? meca has been running well for years with that type rating, i dont see why it cant work in this ONE class
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quote:Originally posted by Bodyjar: Why can't you just use the existing rules, but have a "amp ban" list? Similar to what SPLenduro has? That to me would a lot simpler... as you can just ban the amps that "aren't" in the spirit of Street class without having to make up rules with potential loopholes?
THat would be a good idea....this has been mentioned ever since the power cap was lifted for '01.....someone finaly listened, unfortunatly it was not the DBDRA........
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Ghost: I see that as the simplest, easiest way... there's no loopholes! If Wayne finds outs, and he will, that people are using amp "A" that is 12 amps in one casing (going a bit far) then all he has to do is put it on the list! done...
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150's is the aim, S1-2 is the game... Posts: 159 | From: Australia | Registered: May 2002
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quote:Originally posted by Bodyjar: Ghost: I see that as the simplest, easiest way... there's no loopholes! If Wayne finds outs, and he will, that people are using amp "A" that is 12 amps in one casing (going a bit far) then all he has to do is put it on the list! done...
Indeed that would be the most effective thing to do......and i can think of at least 10 amps to start the list.....
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An amplifier by woofer do not be equal in term of power of amplification.It would be necessary to better apply a term of power or equal,with an aim of not making discrimination towards the various manufacturers. Ex: Classify Street 1 1 amplifier 2 Channels Bridget (JBL crown;US AMPS 6000X;.....) or 2 amplifier mono Strap (Crossfire BMF1000D;Rockford BD1500;MTX TH8100D;....) I think that it would be righter in term of power. David
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In my opinion, a "ban list" will be the easiest AND most effective way to ban these "unspiritual" amps out of street - for now and for the future.
If there will be a rule about the condition of legal amplifiers, there will always be a manufactor which will try to pass this rule by..
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: A heatsink that contains 2 discrete amplifiers should definately be considered as 2 amps instead of 1.
If we impose a rule to that effect, manufacturers could simply make a single, large pcb that has both amps on-board.
We would then need another method of determining eligibility. Power, non-bridged channels, size, fuse rating, and cost are some of the suggestions that have been floated regarding making this determination.
What do you suggest?
Fuse is the best bet and very easy to enforce There should be a 105-110 amp fuse limit for street 1-2 , that's good for 2000 watts for about 1 sec
Street 3-4 205-210 amp fuse limit, good for 4000 watts for 1 sec
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: A heatsink that contains 2 discrete amplifiers should definately be considered as 2 amps instead of 1.
If we impose a rule to that effect, manufacturers could simply make a single, large pcb that has both amps on-board.
We would then need another method of determining eligibility. Power, non-bridged channels, size, fuse rating, and cost are some of the suggestions that have been floated regarding making this determination.
What do you suggest?
Fuse is the best bet and very easy to enforce There should be a 105-110 amp fuse limit for street 1-2 , that's good for 2000 watts for about 1 sec
Street 3-4 205-210 amp fuse limit, good for 4000 watts for 1 sec
What about class A/B amps?
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: A heatsink that contains 2 discrete amplifiers should definately be considered as 2 amps instead of 1.
If we impose a rule to that effect, manufacturers could simply make a single, large pcb that has both amps on-board.
We would then need another method of determining eligibility. Power, non-bridged channels, size, fuse rating, and cost are some of the suggestions that have been floated regarding making this determination.
What do you suggest?
Fuse is the best bet and very easy to enforce There should be a 105-110 amp fuse limit for street 1-2 , that's good for 2000 watts for about 1 sec
Street 3-4 205-210 amp fuse limit, good for 4000 watts for 1 sec
What about class A/B amps?
Okay, right that's fair, NO. I have a 200 for my viper 2500. I personally don't see a problem with the zapco amp. You have to pay to play and these people payed(No sponsorships in street class). Now that these amps are smoking everybody else, its time to ban them. That is what i'm saving for right now, a 4kw. Why caus e they have been proven streetable and can make insane amounts of power. Few amps should be banned, the crown being one. Why put a cap on the sport. I kinda wanna see a street car break the 160 mark.
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Here is my 2 cents...from a new 4kw owner. The only way to make street right is. To have a curcit breaker from a company/s. That are certifed breaker/s to use. Cause banning amps isnt the answer. Look at it as a restriter plate in nascar. Cause this would limit a: the big amps and b:the big batts. It would have to be a company/s that has high standers. And that wont make cheater breakers. That is realy the only way. Around $40 for a level playing feild is worth it. If you want to run a ab then thats what u run. That is ure choice. But i will end by saying. I wish i would of known this was going to happen cause instead of having $1800 into this amp. I could have a $400 amp and do as well.
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: A heatsink that contains 2 discrete amplifiers should definately be considered as 2 amps instead of 1.
If we impose a rule to that effect, manufacturers could simply make a single, large pcb that has both amps on-board.
We would then need another method of determining eligibility. Power, non-bridged channels, size, fuse rating, and cost are some of the suggestions that have been floated regarding making this determination.
What do you suggest?
Fuse is the best bet and very easy to enforce There should be a 105-110 amp fuse limit for street 1-2 , that's good for 2000 watts for about 1 sec
Street 3-4 205-210 amp fuse limit, good for 4000 watts for 1 sec
What about class A/B amps?
Okay, right that's fair, NO. I have a 200 for my viper 2500. I personally don't see a problem with the zapco amp. You have to pay to play and these people payed(No sponsorships in street class). Now that these amps are smoking everybody else, its time to ban them. That is what i'm saving for right now, a 4kw. Why caus e they have been proven streetable and can make insane amounts of power. Few amps should be banned, the crown being one. Why put a cap on the sport. I kinda wanna see a street car break the 160 mark.
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If you think everyone that runs a 4kw payed retail for it your out of your mind. Another thing is 4kws are not as easy to obtain as some think. And if anyone thinks that there aren't sponsored competitors in street, try and police it and you will find out you can't.
What's the answer? Dunno but I am sure of one thing. There will always be people willing to push the grey area's and limits just for that win. Personally if I am not having fun, I'm Done!
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O ure talking about burst rateing of a fuse. How it will handle way more current then rated for a short time? It still has a limit.
ALL4SPL..........it has always been and always will have people that push the grey area.I know it dont make it right and i dont agree with it but thats the way it is.
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