quote:Originally posted by BruceWayneDD: you cant squeeze water out of a rock no matter how hard you try...
newbies dont like to get smacked down.... im not lookin forward to it if they allow 15's in street. but whatever, I like a challenge.
You would only be allowed to use 1 15" in Street 1-2, and 2 15" in Street 3-4.. that's assuming that that is actually passed. why would that be a challenge for you? 2 12's have more cone area than 1 15..
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its a challenge because there are people in the street class that have a lot more experience then me with well established systems that hit way over what i feel its possible for me to hit with a single woofer.
but we'll see this year
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Just reiterating my opinion on the acceptance/denial of allowing the 15'' drivers in street class....
quote:Since the classes are numbered (ex. 1-2), this gives the interpretation that the maximum number of driver is either 2 or 4 (depending on class). To allow only 1 driver to be used in a class that is defined as allowing 2 (maximum), or only 2 drivers in a class that allows 4 (maximum), would be a contradiction.
If the Street class has a main purpose of inviting new people into this sport, then they (the new competitor) may see the negative side of only allow the new person to only use 1 speaker (15"), while the competition is using 2 speakers (12") in the street 1-2 class. It is evident that many who have posted here, know the advantage/disadvantage of having one 15" driver, instead of two 12's, but to someone who is new to audio competiton...they may not fully understand. When someone does not understand something, they sometimes tend to move onto other things that make more sense to them. This is not always the case, but why risk it (rhetorical)?
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There seems to be a lot of discussion about the Street stuff again. I just want to say again, we have never allowed anykind of alternator beefing in Street in FINLAND and we never will unless the rules are changed or Wayne clarifies differently than he has in the past.
There are several posts about this issue where Wayne has clearly pointed out the limitations in Street regarding the alternator and all... and these post are made 2000, 2001 and 2002 I believe.
And we do not agree on every issue with all the european judges, just as the american judges don't agree on every little thing over there either. If I say these Mr.Chargers and any other kind of alternator voltage beef ups are not allowed and Sweden/Norway sayd they are, all I can do is not to allow them in Finland. I did tell this to Tor for example and gave him links to clarification posts by Wayne.
Okeydokey, but hey, Wayne, please clarify the maximum amount of mat type damping material in the 2003 rules as you said you will! (or is it somewhere already, I haven't seen...)
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quote:Originally posted by Sid Grice: Just reiterating my opinion on the acceptance/denial of allowing the 15'' drivers in street class....
quote:Since the classes are numbered (ex. 1-2), this gives the interpretation that the maximum number of driver is either 2 or 4 (depending on class). To allow only 1 driver to be used in a class that is defined as allowing 2 (maximum), or only 2 drivers in a class that allows 4 (maximum), would be a contradiction.
If the Street class has a main purpose of inviting new people into this sport, then they (the new competitor) may see the negative side of only allow the new person to only use 1 speaker (15"), while the competition is using 2 speakers (12") in the street 1-2 class. It is evident that many who have posted here, know the advantage/disadvantage of having one 15" driver, instead of two 12's, but to someone who is new to audio competiton...they may not fully understand. When someone does not understand something, they sometimes tend to move onto other things that make more sense to them. This is not always the case, but why risk it (rhetorical)?
For the most part...since 15s go lower and "sound" louder than 12s more newbies will not be discuraged from competing with a single 15 in Street 1-2....hell most of them becaue the 15 sounds louder will not see the advantage of the two 12s, one 15 is larger than a 12 but quite a bit you know.....there are some advantages in running only one sub compared to running two as i am sure most hard core spl competitors know, since no two subs are identical even if they came off the line one after the other.....yes one 15 is at a slight cone area disadvantage but it is much more discuraging to tell the guy with the street install and one 15 that he has to go into NW with the guys with 4+ amps and 2 15s than it is to tell him he has to go against equill installs, one amp, batt, stock electrical, 2 12s vs his single 15........
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Ive got some pretty bad light dimming now and then. Id like to add a battery, but dont wanna be in SS next season. I know a few people that do actually have an extra battery in their daily drivers, and i wouldnt mind seein an extra one bein added for street 1-2. I think with most of the new HIGH-powered amps comin out, i think seeing an extra battery in the trunk will become more and more common for the street cars
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and not only in s1-2 we s3-4 guys need double power
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quote:Originally posted by Dropcivix: I have got a question about crxs. I work at honda and have noticed most of the crxs come in with a covering that goes over the backseat. I thought in the rules you weren't allowed to remove stock paneling and this piece pretty much looks like stock paneling. Any comments or can the crxs remove this peice?
Most US Crx's do not have back seat. They do have a glove box that lays flat with the rear cargo area.
Right that is what i'm talking about. Wouldn't it be illegal to remove this and still remain in street.
quote:Originally posted by BruceWayneDD: you cant squeeze water out of a rock no matter how hard you try...
newbies dont like to get smacked down.... im not lookin forward to it if they allow 15's in street. but whatever, I like a challenge.
You would only be allowed to use 1 15" in Street 1-2, and 2 15" in Street 3-4.. that's assuming that that is actually passed. why would that be a challenge for you? 2 12's have more cone area than 1 15..
Some of you 'newbies' think its unfair because you have a single 15" and we're wanting to put you in a street class with 2-12's? Would you rather be in Super Street 1-2 No Wall? or Super Street Wall where you can have unlimited batteries and amps?
Just be thankful that the dBDRA is thinking of you. We all can't have our own class.
Retailers/Promoters are allowed to offer Mini Street Classes. Sometimes they dont. They are allowed to combine some of the 12 dB Drag Racing classes. Most of the time they do. If I owned a single 15", I'd rather be put into a class where I had close to the same equipment rather than in a class where the dude that beat me had $25,000 in equipment. At least the dBDRA is giving those with larger subs a playground to play in.
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quote:Originally posted by BruceWayneDD: you cant squeeze water out of a rock no matter how hard you try...
newbies dont like to get smacked down.... im not lookin forward to it if they allow 15's in street. but whatever, I like a challenge.
You would only be allowed to use 1 15" in Street 1-2, and 2 15" in Street 3-4.. that's assuming that that is actually passed. why would that be a challenge for you? 2 12's have more cone area than 1 15..
Some of you 'newbies' think its unfair because you have a single 15" and we're wanting to put you in a street class with 2-12's? Would you rather be in Super Street 1-2 No Wall? or Super Street Wall where you can have unlimited batteries and amps?
Just be thankful that the dBDRA is thinking of you. We all can't have our own class.
Retailers/Promoters are allowed to offer Mini Street Classes. Sometimes they dont. They are allowed to combine some of the 12 dB Drag Racing classes. Most of the time they do. If I owned a single 15", I'd rather be put into a class where I had close to the same equipment rather than in a class where the dude that beat me had $25,000 in equipment. At least the dBDRA is giving those with larger subs a playground to play in.
My thoughts exactly.. I dont see why people even care about this.. a single 15 will yield no advantage over 2 12's..
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for the street beat class, why couldnt we make the rules about the same as street 1-2 is now. 12's only, 1 farad cap limit, and maybe try and go with a wattage limit. 1 sub amp, of less than say 1000 or 2000 watts? then make both street classes similar to street 3-4 now. allow 1 extra battery, and no other electrical upgrades, but allow the 15's like wayne has stated. i have seen posts that say "who has an extra battery in their everday driver?" i would be one of them. my spl vehicle is my everday driver. like many of the street competitors, i cannot afford to just buy a car that i can use stricly as a show car. so the once family vehicle turns into an spl machine. hopefully we can get these changes figured out soon, and figure out what we need to do to comply with 2003 rules. and i am hoping not to have to rebuild again for the ????th time, to comply with new rule changes.
quote:Originally posted by 97Cavy: Ive got some pretty bad light dimming now and then. Id like to add a battery, but dont wanna be in SS next season. I know a few people that do actually have an extra battery in their daily drivers, and i wouldnt mind seein an extra one bein added for street 1-2. I think with most of the new HIGH-powered amps comin out, i think seeing an extra battery in the trunk will become more and more common for the street cars
You can have any size battery for everiday driving. Just remove it at competition. It is just couple of minutes work. If extra batteries would be allowed than amps will be even stronger and more expensive.
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my thoughts were one extra battery, not multiple extras. this isnt that costly of an addition, and yes it will make amps a bit stronger, but not 16 volts stronger.
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yes but ohm's law...all other equipment not included....
1 battery 500 amp @ 12 down to 11 or ten insantly could yeild up to around 3-5000 watts for a burp depending on the situation....
on the other hand just "2" batteries... would support 6-10,000 watts. that's not a small difference.....if you double batteries you will double the avalable current, hence, double the output capabilities from a amp.
as far as 16 volts...1 battery that puts out 400 amps at 12 volts will (with all things perfect and no loss) yeild 4800 watts. 2 12 volts with 400 amps would yeild 9600 watts....now this is where it gets fun... 1 16 volt at 400 amps would yeild 6400 watts.... so 2 12 volts are beter than 1 16 volt....
OHMS LAW. To cuculate power, you need to take avalable amprage and Voltage (battery or alternator) and multply them together....what ever you come up with is the ABSOLUTE most that you can get in wattage....like I said before, you could have 10 2,000 watts amps, BUT if you don't have an electrical system to support it...your waisting your time.
I am done posting in this section, because I belive wayne has probably all redy made a decission, but I will leave with this.
IF street is for the niewbies,you have to push for keeping the electrical system regulations the way they are. It caps the cars off around 4000 watts. EVEN THAT is allot for a Street car but we can't do anything about it. If there is even ONE extra battery allowed it will open doors that the newbies won't be able to walk through and they will be stuck outside frezzing (losing) there but's off. If you daily with a big amp, FINE get a second battery, like someone mentioned...it will only take like 5 minuets to take it out...do it...if not, The last thing any newbie is going to worry about is there head lights dimming. Do some math, a 200 amp 16 volt system does NOT have the reserve or amprage avalbale as 2 batteries. If anything is allowed, I say fine, but make it an alternator with a 150amp 15.5 volt max. The easy way to regulate this...an amp meter around the output lead of the alternator and a MM on the amp input for voltage.
I am not going into street, it is not my fight, but if they are the lead into this sport, we should make it as fair as we can.
p.s. it sounds like we need a street 1-2/3-4 for people who are wealthy or that have good ties to the industry. So they can play with there unrealistic 6,000 watt/ 6,000$ mono blocks... and there 1k$ quad coils... and not kill the typical beginer.
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allowing 1 15" in street is not gonna be that big of a deal. or 2 in s3-4.... I dont think itd be a problem to a allow 1 15". Yes...1 15" isonly a lil less cone area so i dont see it being a big deal. It eill be able to beat 2 12s with 1 15", its just gonna take skill!!!!
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There are only a few things that need to be done to make street class better overall...
1. alow a 15 like wayne stated 2. limmit the note in street to 55hz and lower 3. make a list of amps that are not alowed in 1-2 and amps you can only have one of in 3-4
I have posted #3 many times over the past two years and someone finaly got the hint......unfortunat
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