quote:Originally posted by Gummi: [qb]and i would like a 15v limit in street classes
My wifes Explorer charges at 15.1V with a factory electrical system and a Wal-Mart battery. Whats up with that?
Sometimes my Ranger hits 15 volts when its cold out (Ranger's and Explorer's are very similiar)..
If I remember correctly, at AudioThunder last year (when it was freeezing cold on that last day) my voltage was at 15.1-15.2 when the judge clamped the multimeter on.
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here in sweden there is some street cars with aftermarket variable voltage regulators on their stock alt. so they can boost up the voltage to 17.9v in a street car with a stock alt!...and stock battery.... thats not streetable!... please do something about this!
According to my knowledge, an aftermarket variable voltage regulator is not legal in the street class. I'm sure Wayne, or another certified judge could clarify, but to my knowledge this is not legal, nor has ever been legal in the street class here in the states. An aftermarket regulator is considered a modification and that is not legal in the street class.
Yes...since that is a modification to the stock electrical system other than a batt upgrade it is very illegal.....
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quote:Originally posted by Gummi: [qb]and i would like a 15v limit in street classes
My wifes Explorer charges at 15.1V with a factory electrical system and a Wal-Mart battery. Whats up with that?
Sometimes my Ranger hits 15 volts when its cold out (Ranger's and Explorer's are very similiar)..
If I remember correctly, at AudioThunder last year (when it was freeezing cold on that last day) my voltage was at 15.1-15.2 when the judge clamped the multimeter on.
QB]
here in sweden there is some street cars with aftermarket variable voltage regulators on their stock alt. so they can boost up the voltage to 17.9v in a street car with a stock alt!...and stock battery.... thats not streetable!... please do something about this!
According to my knowledge, an aftermarket variable voltage regulator is not legal in the street class. I'm sure Wayne, or another certified judge could clarify, but to my knowledge this is not legal, nor has ever been legal in the street class here in the states. An aftermarket regulator is considered a modification and that is not legal in the street class.
Yes...since that is a modification to the stock electrical system other than a batt upgrade it is very illegal.....
i can't find anything in the written rules from 2002 that say this.... or is this included in the rule: " ..... “beefing up” the OEM alternator is prohibited" ??
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quote:Originally posted by Gummi: [qb]and i would like a 15v limit in street classes
My wifes Explorer charges at 15.1V with a factory electrical system and a Wal-Mart battery. Whats up with that?
Sometimes my Ranger hits 15 volts when its cold out (Ranger's and Explorer's are very similiar)..
If I remember correctly, at AudioThunder last year (when it was freeezing cold on that last day) my voltage was at 15.1-15.2 when the judge clamped the multimeter on.
QB]
here in sweden there is some street cars with aftermarket variable voltage regulators on their stock alt. so they can boost up the voltage to 17.9v in a street car with a stock alt!...and stock battery.... thats not streetable!... please do something about this!
According to my knowledge, an aftermarket variable voltage regulator is not legal in the street class. I'm sure Wayne, or another certified judge could clarify, but to my knowledge this is not legal, nor has ever been legal in the street class here in the states. An aftermarket regulator is considered a modification and that is not legal in the street class.
Yes...since that is a modification to the stock electrical system other than a batt upgrade it is very illegal.....
i can't find anything in the written rules from 2002 that say this.... or is this included in the rule: " ..... “beefing up” the OEM alternator is prohibited" ??
Yep..that would be "beefing up" the alt....
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quote:Originally posted by Gummi: [qb]and i would like a 15v limit in street classes
My wifes Explorer charges at 15.1V with a factory electrical system and a Wal-Mart battery. Whats up with that?
Sometimes my Ranger hits 15 volts when its cold out (Ranger's and Explorer's are very similiar)..
If I remember correctly, at AudioThunder last year (when it was freeezing cold on that last day) my voltage was at 15.1-15.2 when the judge clamped the multimeter on.
QB]
here in sweden there is some street cars with aftermarket variable voltage regulators on their stock alt. so they can boost up the voltage to 17.9v in a street car with a stock alt!...and stock battery.... thats not streetable!... please do something about this!
According to my knowledge, an aftermarket variable voltage regulator is not legal in the street class. I'm sure Wayne, or another certified judge could clarify, but to my knowledge this is not legal, nor has ever been legal in the street class here in the states. An aftermarket regulator is considered a modification and that is not legal in the street class.
Yes...since that is a modification to the stock electrical system other than a batt upgrade it is very illegal.....
i can't find anything in the written rules from 2002 that say this.... or is this included in the rule: " ..... “beefing up” the OEM alternator is prohibited" ??
Yep..that would be "beefing up" the alt....
this quote is the ****
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quote:Originally posted by Gummi: [qb]and i would like a 15v limit in street classes
My wifes Explorer charges at 15.1V with a factory electrical system and a Wal-Mart battery. Whats up with that?
Sometimes my Ranger hits 15 volts when its cold out (Ranger's and Explorer's are very similiar)..
If I remember correctly, at AudioThunder last year (when it was freeezing cold on that last day) my voltage was at 15.1-15.2 when the judge clamped the multimeter on.
QB]
here in sweden there is some street cars with aftermarket variable voltage regulators on their stock alt. so they can boost up the voltage to 17.9v in a street car with a stock alt!...and stock battery.... thats not streetable!... please do something about this!
According to my knowledge, an aftermarket variable voltage regulator is not legal in the street class. I'm sure Wayne, or another certified judge could clarify, but to my knowledge this is not legal, nor has ever been legal in the street class here in the states. An aftermarket regulator is considered a modification and that is not legal in the street class.
Yes...since that is a modification to the stock electrical system other than a batt upgrade it is very illegal.....
i can't find anything in the written rules from 2002 that say this.... or is this included in the rule: " ..... “beefing up” the OEM alternator is prohibited" ??
Yep..that would be "beefing up" the alt....
this quote is the ****
would changing from a 91 mx-3 alternator to a 94 be modding?
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Are the 91 and 94 alternators identical as far as rated output and size? If so, then you could do the switch. You may replace your alternator with one that is identical to the factory ratings, or have yours rebuild back to factory specs, but you may not upgrade to a higher output one.
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I need to clarify a little about the "swedish" altenator problem!!!!
The rules states:
6-7g:Replacing the OEM alternator with a high-output alternator, or “beefing up” the OEM alternator is prohibited.
6-7h:Aftermarket interconnects and power cabling are acceptable.
The guyes dont replace or "beef" up ther alternator they only change the relay that controlls the charging!!!!
Almost every car in sweden uses altenators from BOSCH. thoes generators have the relay monted on the outside and are possible to change.
You can walk in to a ordinary petrolstation (statoil) and by a new one if oure old one is broken. There are models that are adjustable(13.5-15.5V) and the ordinary are fixed at 14.4V.
The product Janne Jummisko is talking about is the MR Charge. Its a special built chargingequipment made for the Bosch alternators. In sweden the winters are dark and cold so a lot of guyes uses extra lights in front of the car.
To balance the current draw they install the Mr Charge, and then have the possibility the rise the charging.
If you read the rules it states: 6-3:The maximum voltage of the vehicle’s electrical system shall not exceed 18.0 volts DC at any time while the vehicle is being metered.
That apply even to street cars. but you cant change the battery to a turbostar or change the original alternator.... but you can install a intelligent charging equipment!!!
This should be leagal!!! I have participate a 3 European Finals with multipoint judges. There have never been any problems with this device.
[ 12-17-2002, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: Roger Edvinsson ]
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quote:Originally posted by Roger Edvinsson: Hello!!!
I need to clarify a little about the "swedish" altenator problem!!!!
The rules states:
6-7g:Replacing the OEM alternator with a high-output alternator, or “beefing up” the OEM alternator is prohibited.
6-7h:Aftermarket interconnects and power cabling are acceptable.
The guyes dont replace or "beef" up ther alternator they only change the relay that controlls the charging!!!!
Almost every car in sweden uses altenators from BOSCH. thoes generators have the relay monted on the outside and are possible to change.
You can walk in to a ordinary petrolstation (statoil) and by a new one if oure old one is broken. There are models that are adjustable(13.5-15.5V) and the ordinary are fixed at 14.4V.
The product Janne Jummisko is talking about is the MR Charge. Its a special built chargingequipment made for the Bosch alternators. In sweden the winters are dark and cold so a lot of guyes uses extra lights in front of the car.
To balance the current draw they install the Mr Charge, and then have the possibility the rise the charging.
If you read the rules it states: 6-3:The maximum voltage of the vehicle’s electrical system shall not exceed 18.0 volts DC at any time while the vehicle is being metered.
That apply even to street cars. but you cant change the battery to a turbostar or change the original alternator.... but you can install a intelligent charging equipment!!!
This should be leagal!!! I have participate a 3 European Finals with multipoint judges. There have never been any problems with this device.
Well if Wayne says it is ...the where can i get one
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: This explains some of the crazy high street scores from Europe then.
I realy hope that you could see the differense between two country (Sweden and Finland). If Swedish guys use those equipment, that doesn´t mean Finnish guys do, or the rest of the Europe. Actually we (Finnish guys) knew that they were illegal.
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