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1. Combine Extreme 9-12 and Extreme 13+ into a single class called Extreme 9+.
excelent.....
2. Remove the "Move-Up" restriction from the Street Division.
excelent.....
3. Permit the use of one 15" woofer in the Street 1-2 Class and two 15" woofers in the Street 3-4 Class.
excelent.....
4. Permit the use of an additional battery in the Street 1-2 Class. We are also considering permitting the use of aftermarket or upgraded alternators in the Street Division. What are your feelings on this matter?
I dont really get the point of this one. personally I think that you are just raising the cost to compete in a class that is already expensive enough. Also you open a whole new bag of worms when it comes to voltage output from a non factory alt. Also why no sepreation between 1-2 and 3-4 as far as elec systems? I like the fact that you can have more batts in 3-4 than you can in 1-2. I belive if you were to allow 2 batts in 1-2 and 3 batts in 3-4 with no alt upgrades, this would be ample. of course still figure a way to get rid of 4 KW's will ya wayne .
5. There has been much discussion regarding the use of Enduro measurements in the Street Division over the past few years. Once again I would like to know your feelings on this matter. Do you believe that the Street Division should be metered the same as it is currently being done, or should we use the Enduro mode which averages the competitors score over 30 seconds.
enduro sounds cool on paper, but will it really work out there I do not know.
6. Create a new Standard Class (required at all multipoint events) called "Street Beat 1-2". This class would have identical rules to Street 1-2 with the following exceptions...
Personaly I would like to see a bigger street class before I see this, but this is good also. maybe an enduro class where you can use a ton of subs would be nice with limited power.
Only music may be used. The dB Jams V6 CD must be used at multipoint events but any music CD may be used at local shows.
The competitor's score will be measured using the dB Enduro format. (30 second average)
The "Move-Up" rule WILL apply to this class.
A limitation on amplifiers AND woofers WILL be imposed. The limitations on these products is up for discussion. The goal is to ensure that REAL consumer products are being used.
7. No limitation on the use of Quad-Coil woofers in Super Street and Extreme. Adding limitation restricting coils to 4 or less in Super Street and Extreme. (Limit of 2 already exists for Street.) everything good here except for the move up rule....I thought we already learned that those rules DONT WORK.
8.We are also working on cleaning up the "gray areas" that were discovered in 2002. Clarifications with regards to these changes will be posted shortly.
Yea!!!!
Phil Lester -team sound decision-
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Can we define street by number of channels and not # of amps? I get tired of having customers not being able to use 2 1000d's strapped.
not a good idea....next year you will see a ton of bd 1500's strapped running at 1.4 ohms with the protects torn out. we tested it and that setup is about .2-.3 quiter than the 4kW. everyone and their mother will have it because that would only cost 800 bux for the 2 of them vs. 2500 for a used 4K.
Phil
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The difference between Street and Super Street with new rules, lets see: Street; one amp, 2 12's, 2 batteries, and an alternator. Super Street; 16 amps, 2 quad 18's, 26 (or more) batteries, and an alternator. I can see where you might get confused. They are alomost exactly the same.
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Only music may be used. The dB Jams V6 CD must be used at multipoint events but any music CD may be used at local shows
This will never work. I mean, you can not limit it to "music", no way. It must be free to use whatever and/or official dB Jams. If you even consider having it "music only", I promise there will be tens of new artists having a hits coming out this spring called "30s mindblower at 80Hz" and so on. Absolutely no way to limit it to so-called-music-only. No way to police. But other than that, I like the changes. Still little dissappointed about the Extreme 1 not coming, but we will live with that and enjoy these new changes. Sounds and looks promising.
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First I want to thank everyone for the MASSIVE amount of feedback. It is clear that everyone is very passionate about their beliefs. It is my job to wade through all of these comments, determine their validity, and then make a decision on what can or should be implemented in the upcoming season. Also keep in mind that we must incorporate the Retailer's perspective as well.
No problem, we are always trying to help.
As I have mentioned in previous posts, I believe that it is crucial that all changes be kept to an absolute minimum. We had a GREAT season in 2002 and a GREAT Finals. The quality of officiating has improved dramatically over the years and I believe that stability is one of the reasons why. With that in mind, here are some of the broader changes that we are considering implementing. Please give me your feedback.
1. Combine Extreme 9-12 and Extreme 13+ into a single class called Extreme 9+.
Yes, there always can be new changes in next seasons to separate this classes again.
2. Remove the "Move-Up" restriction from the Street Division.
YES
3. Permit the use of one 15" woofer in the Street 1-2 Class and two 15" woofers in the Street 3-4 Class.
YES
4. Permit the use of an additional battery in the Street 1-2 Class. We are also considering permitting the use of aftermarket or upgraded alternators in the Street Division. What are your feelings on this matter?
NO!!! This will be too big favor for big and expensive amps. Maybe we should think about some class between S and SS NW
5. There has been much discussion regarding the use of Enduro measurements in the Street Division over the past few years. Once again I would like to know your feelings on this matter. Do you believe that the Street Division should be metered the same as it is currently being done, or should we use the Enduro mode which averages the competitors score over 30 seconds.
Hmmmm I don't know. Is this really so good idea? Most competitors here like dB Drag as it is.
6. Create a new Standard Class (required at all multipoint events) called "Street Beat 1-2". This class would have identical rules to Street 1-2 with the following exceptions...
Only music may be used. The dB Jams V6 CD must be used at multipoint events but any music CD may be used at local shows.
The competitor's score will be measured using the dB Enduro format. (30 second average)
The "Move-Up" rule WILL apply to this class.
A limitation on amplifiers AND woofers WILL be imposed. The limitations on these products is up for discussion. The goal is to ensure that REAL consumer products are being used.
NO 7. No limitation on the use of Quad-Coil woofers in Super Street and Extreme. Adding limitation restricting coils to 4 or less in Super Street and Extreme. (Limit of 2 already exists for Street.)
OK
8.We are also working on cleaning up the "gray areas" that were discovered in 2002. Clarifications with regards to these changes will be posted shortly.
Thanks again for all of your input.
Peter Pejovic / Slovenia
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quote: 4. Permit the use of an additional battery in the Street 1-2 Class. We are also considering permitting the use of aftermarket or upgraded alternators in the Street Division. What are your feelings on this matter?
As it stands now...about 75% of us are against the extrat batt and 90% are against the alt upgrade...but most that i see are for some kind of rule against using giant 4kwt+ amps....
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quote:Originally posted by ShockingCanada: Wayne I agree with Destroyer that vans should be allowed to have their box wherever they want again...the rule only allowed people who were unfortunate enough to get stuck driving minivans around to be competitve and didn't give them any advantage over other people...I agree with not letting cargovans in street but I think you should consider removing the b-piller rule in street and make it so you can have the enclosure right up to the doorjambs again
quote:Originally posted by Shedluv:
Cargo vans, b-pillar, I don't care personally, I'll run against any of them.
Wayne what if your daily driver Is a cargo caravan. I bought my van in 2001 specificly for Street Class. 2002 I had to move-up so I added 1 12" to my street 3-4 set up and competed in SS5-8 I qualified to go to finals with a 158.7dB. The same # I did the year before. I couldnt afford 32-34amps and 30 batterys. Wayne I wish you could have a official poll on this ruling. Please overlook this.
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1. Combine Extreme 9-12 and Extreme 13+ into a single class called Extreme 9+. Good
2. Remove the "Move-Up" restriction from the Street Division. Good
3. Permit the use of one 15" woofer in the Street 1-2 Class and two 15" woofers in the Street 3-4 Class. Great
4. Permit the use of an additional battery in the Street 1-2 Class. We are also considering permitting the use of aftermarket or upgraded alternators in the Street Division. What are your feelings on this matter? Very very BAD!!
5. There has been much discussion regarding the use of Enduro measurements in the Street Division over the past few years. Once again I would like to know your feelings on this matter. Do you believe that the Street Division should be metered the same as it is currently being done, or should we use the Enduro mode which averages the competitors score over 30 seconds. 15 seconds would be perfict for this
6. Create a new Standard Class (required at all multipoint events) called "Street Beat 1-2". This class would have identical rules to Street 1-2 with the following exceptions...
Only music may be used. The dB Jams V6 CD must be used at multipoint events but any music CD may be used at local shows.
The competitor's score will be measured using the dB Enduro format. (30 second average)
The "Move-Up" rule WILL apply to this class.
A limitation on amplifiers AND woofers WILL be imposed. The limitations on these products is up for discussion. The goal is to ensure that REAL consumer products are being used.
7. No limitation on the use of Quad-Coil woofers in Super Street and Extreme. Adding limitation restricting coils to 4 or less in Super Street and Extreme. (Limit of 2 already exists for Street.) Good and bad, limiting to music only is bad and not having a 3-4 is bad but adding another street type class would be benifitial... 8.We are also working on cleaning up the "gray areas" that were discovered in 2002. Clarifications with regards to these changes will be posted shortly. I sure hope you include a rule against 4kwt+ amps in street class...they are not streetable and doing this would make it all about the instal not about how much $$ you have..
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Can we define street by number of channels and not # of amps? I get tired of having customers not being able to use 2 1000d's strapped.
not a good idea....next year you will see a ton of bd 1500's strapped running at 1.4 ohms with the protects torn out. we tested it and that setup is about .2-.3 quiter than the 4kW. everyone and their mother will have it because that would only cost 800 bux for the 2 of them vs. 2500 for a used 4K.
Phil
What is wrong with that, I thought we wanted to make this sport more accessible to the new competitor. What is easier to get, bd1500s or a 4KW. Secondly, from a retailer and manufacturer standpoint, what amps available now or in the near future would be competitive in the street class. Here's my list:
Now how many retailers carry any of those brands, much less keep one of those amps in stock. No need to keep them in stock as the MSRP on all of them is over $2000. Several retailers keep 1000ds and other monoblocks in stock, and they're widely available from several manufacturers, examples:
Now I'm sure that almost any reputable shop will be a dealer for one of those manufacturers and any kid off of the street could walk in and purchase at least one, probably 2 of those amps. It would get more manufacturers who are used widely in the upper classes involved in the street classes.
Plus with this new Street-beat class that could have a 1000 or 1500 watt power cap. With one of the monoblock amps, a competitor could move up to Street 1-2 simply by purchasing another amp exactly like what they have instead of getting a very large 3000 watt amp and still be competitive. I think it would be good for most of the manufacturers, the retailers, and the new competitors.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I agree, it looks like most everyone is against the alt upgrades and additional battery in Street. We can do away with these if need be.
Jani has a good point on the music issue.
How bout this for the "street beat" class.......you must play a sweep.....eather 30 to 40hz or 40 to 50hz........that with a 15 second average would be more for the true street set ups....
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: How bout this...cargo caravans, astros and aerostars are alowed in street class...but the B-pillar rule stays....
I agree with this totally. Vans should be allowed!! The b-pillar rule MUST stay though.. unless I can but my street 1-2 box in my back seat.
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: How bout this...cargo caravans, astros and aerostars are alowed in street class...but the B-pillar rule stays....
I agree with this totally. Vans should be allowed!! The b-pillar rule MUST stay though.. unless I can but my street 1-2 box in my back seat.
Mini van cargo vans are street able.....full size ones are not.....and even with the b-pillar rule you can still have up to a 24cuft box so i see no problem with the b-pillar rule staying in place....
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Can we define street by number of channels and not # of amps? I get tired of having customers not being able to use 2 1000d's strapped.
not a good idea....next year you will see a ton of bd 1500's strapped running at 1.4 ohms with the protects torn out. we tested it and that setup is about .2-.3 quiter than the 4kW. everyone and their mother will have it because that would only cost 800 bux for the 2 of them vs. 2500 for a used 4K.
Phil
so it would only be fair if rockford fosgate were to combine 2 bd1500's in a single casing?
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I agree, it looks like most everyone is against the alt upgrades and additional battery in Street. We can do away with these if need be.
Jani has a good point on the music issue.
Don't assume that the very,very few posting on here are is the view of the many more not on the forum. I can name 10 cars in my town of 10,000 people that have a pair of 12" woofers and a 800-1200 watt amp and an extra battery.
As far as the music goes, you have control of that with your db Jams 6 cd that has to be used.
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