quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: That's fine, you built the car, but you are getting NEW people into the sport this way
But the same complaints you heard all year long will continue to happen next year. It doesn't change.
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Rick, could you enlighten us on your reasoning?
You are "violently" against allowing former world finalists to compete in the street class, however you do not have a problem with them building a car for someone else that you would have to compete against. Same type of vehicle, same score, just different name. You stated that it was better because it would get new people into the sport, but what if those people are just competing because of the name (like a g/f) and as soon as they make world finals, they will be gone. I am just trying to understand all sides here, and I wondered if there were specific examples that caused this strong feeling.
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: Rick, could you enlighten us on your reasoning?
You are "violently" against allowing former world finalists to compete in the street class, however you do not have a problem with them building a car for someone else that you would have to compete against. Same type of vehicle, same score, just different name. You stated that it was better because it would get new people into the sport, but what if those people are just competing because of the name (like a g/f) and as soon as they make world finals, they will be gone. I am just trying to understand all sides here, and I wondered if there were specific examples that caused this strong feeling.
You know what, I don't care anymore, let them drop the rule, let them keep the rule, I wanted the sport to be more fair for everyone, but that isn't going to happen. So the same people will just keep going to finals, and winning, year after year, after year. So whatever.
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i agree rick...forget it...everyone wants to drop the rule...than sweet..do it. Who wants more competiton...no one apparently. Stay in a class or "help" other people compete by competing other their names. I mean, thats really clever, way to be an honest competitor. Wow, u dont want to spend more money, dont blame ya, but why not a pro-street where people who think they can either hang with the big dogs, or ARE a big dog can compete??? Thats all i wanna know...its not gonna cost them much more money, in fact its gonna cost people in regular street more money to get loud enough to be against the big dogs in pro street...pro street guys apparently have big amps already, big subs, what more u need...maybe a few new box ideas...ouch! Once ur in pro-street, stay as long as you want...compete against other loud people, just give other people without the 4kw, or D3 or people who just arent AS loud as you to have chance to make and maybe actually place in finals. You would be with the other loud people in another class no problem...wait..one problem...ACTUAL COMPETITION...my bad! PEACE
quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: Rick, could you enlighten us on your reasoning?
You are "violently" against allowing former world finalists to compete in the street class, however you do not have a problem with them building a car for someone else that you would have to compete against. Same type of vehicle, same score, just different name. You stated that it was better because it would get new people into the sport, but what if those people are just competing because of the name (like a g/f) and as soon as they make world finals, they will be gone. I am just trying to understand all sides here, and I wondered if there were specific examples that caused this strong feeling.
You know what, I don't care anymore, let them drop the rule, let them keep the rule, I wanted the sport to be more fair for everyone, but that isn't going to happen. So the same people will just keep going to finals, and winning, year after year, after year. So whatever.
Yeah im in the same situation.. I just wish they would hurry up and make thier decision, I wanna know if i'm going to be competing next year or not..
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quote:Originally posted by shocka3_18: i agree rick...forget it...everyone wants to drop the rule...than sweet..do it. Who wants more competiton...no one apparently. Stay in a class or "help" other people compete by competing other their names. I mean, thats really clever, way to be an honest competitor. Wow, u dont want to spend more money, dont blame ya, but why not a pro-street where people who think they can either hang with the big dogs, or ARE a big dog can compete??? Thats all i wanna know...its not gonna cost them much more money, in fact its gonna cost people in regular street more money to get loud enough to be against the big dogs in pro street...pro street guys apparently have big amps already, big subs, what more u need...maybe a few new box ideas...ouch! Once ur in pro-street, stay as long as you want...compete against other loud people, just give other people without the 4kw, or D3 or people who just arent AS loud as you to have chance to make and maybe actually place in finals. You would be with the other loud people in another class no problem...wait..one problem...ACTUAL COMPETITION...my bad! PEACE
Just because there is a Pro street or one for finalists, does not mean that the regular street classes will not be dominated by the 4KW and D3s and other very large, very expensive amps. The top people in the regular street class will be really close to those in the Pro street class as far as score and install goes. The competition level for regular street will not diminish.
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The thing you guys don't seem to realize is that if you take away the 4KWs and D3s from the top 4 this year guess what, they would have still been the top 4.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: The thing you guys don't seem to realize is that if you take away the 4KWs and D3s from the top 4 this year guess what, they would have still been the top 4.
Indeed they would ...since the D3 is nothing more than a fully modded D2....and isnt it funny how paying $750 for an amp is expencive now?? The list for the DEI 1100d is $650 and that is not concidered expencive..the D3 can be had for much less than the Zapco 9.0 and even less than the Mmats amps....all these street people who made finals are complaining about $$ yet 90% of them changed boxes at least half a dozzen times this year and also upgraded amps and subs durring the season....that still coses alot of $$ last time i checked???? It would be far less expencive to step up to a Pro street class buy just adding another amp, batt and going to 15s since most of the expencive testing and swapping was done for their finals run this season............i will make one garrentee..remove the move up rule and those guys who a bitching about $$ will be the first to show up at finals with a brand new D4 or D8 for that matter....the only way to level the playing field and make it more about install and detication is some sort of limitation on amps.......and for that matter if not for the 4kwt Zap and the fact that EQ has even bigger ones coming out for next season....this moving up would not be an issue.....here again is my pro street idea or 1-2 nw and 3-4 nw if you like...
Same rules as street class with these exceptions....
Pro Street 1-2 2 15s, 2 batts and 2 amps max
Pro Street 3-4 4 15s, 4 batts and 4 amps max
This would eliminate the need for ministreet.. Pro Street 1-2 would be like a limited NW and we would make room for Pro Street 3-4 by combinding EX 9-12 & 13+....as it stands there are only 18 total members between those two classes as posted in another thread so they would still all get to go to finals......
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: Rick, could you enlighten us on your reasoning?
You are "violently" against allowing former world finalists to compete in the street class, however you do not have a problem with them building a car for someone else that you would have to compete against. Same type of vehicle, same score, just different name. You stated that it was better because it would get new people into the sport, but what if those people are just competing because of the name (like a g/f) and as soon as they make world finals, they will be gone. I am just trying to understand all sides here, and I wondered if there were specific examples that caused this strong feeling.
You know what, I don't care anymore, let them drop the rule, let them keep the rule, I wanted the sport to be more fair for everyone, but that isn't going to happen. So the same people will just keep going to finals, and winning, year after year, after year. So whatever.
As I said before, stop arguing and go work on your car, regardless if the rule is lifted or left alone YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO GET LOUDER TO WIN. Plain and simple. The scores go up every year regardless of who is competing, next year plan on a 160 in street 1-2 and close to 162-163 in street 3-4.
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street 1-2 street 3-4 street 1-2 nw <---same rule restrictions as street 1-2 but you can use two 15's ,18's one amp per sub. super street 1-2 nw Fortunately I'm one of the few competitors who moved up in class from street and qualified for finals in super street.It took lots of $$$$$$$ to do that. I can afford it,for now.please remove the "move up" rule.
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quote:Originally posted by firefly: It's unfortunate that a good idea will be dismissed because of lying competitors who want to essentially cheat. I honestly don't think that any time you have rules, they are being abided by 100%, and as others have said if the competitor doesn't want to be honest, then let the other competitors call it to the attention of the judge.
This couldnt be anymore true.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: The thing you guys don't seem to realize is that if you take away the 4KWs and D3s from the top 4 this year guess what, they would have still been the top 4.
It would have been a lot closer without those amps. How much gain is there between a 4KW or D3 vs. a 2000 watt amp (like a stock D2)? I'd be willing to say that a 4KW is about 1.5-2 dB louder and a D3 is about 0.7-1.5 dB louder. That would have made the numbers a lot closer at finals, close enough that anything could have happened and lane choice could have been a deciding factor between being in the top 4 or not.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: The thing you guys don't seem to realize is that if you take away the 4KWs and D3s from the top 4 this year guess what, they would have still been the top 4.
It would have been a lot closer without those amps. How much gain is there between a 4KW or D3 vs. a 2000 watt amp (like a stock D2)? I'd be willing to say that a 4KW is about 1.5-2 dB louder and a D3 is about 0.7-1.5 dB louder. That would have made the numbers a lot closer at finals, close enough that anything could have happened and lane choice could have been a deciding factor between being in the top 4 or not.
I do not agree, because had we had that kind of power we may have used different more effecient subs, and a different box, so then you would end up with the same scores as we had in a realtively same order. Nothing would have changed.
And might I add that your poor ol 2000D isnt a hoe, it is a very powerful amp, and I must say it is probably more powerful than a D2.
Eric
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quote: idbl_fanatic: You know what, I don't care anymore, let them drop the rule, let them keep the rule, I wanted the sport to be more fair for everyone, but that isn't going to happen. So the same people will just keep going to finals, and winning, year after year, after year. So whatever.
It will be interesting to see whether or not your prophecy holds true for even 1, let alone 2 seasons, I mean, who's to say a whole new group won't come along each year and toast the former winner of the class - HEY, what an idea, geez that would be like every other competition where they have an annual grand prize winner - Americas Cup, The WWF Belt, Superbowl, etc... so guess what, the winner of Street in '02 will have to actually beat every other new and old World Finals Street competitor in '03.
...guess that's why they call it "Sport".
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Her's an idea for street class amps. Stop the crying about this amp makes this much power and it beat me. Everything costs money, deal with it. I say let these amps play in the street class. I am not one that would limit amps because my is smaller then theirs. Spend the cash if you want to get louder. That's what i'm doing
quote:Originally posted by Dropcivix: Her's an idea for street class amps. Stop the crying about this amp makes this much power and it beat me. Everything costs money, deal with it. I say let these amps play in the street class. I am not one that would limit amps because my is smaller then theirs. Spend the cash if you want to get louder. That's what i'm doing
I gonna get slammed now, right?
That is the way i see it...since every year what it takes to make finals is going to be more and more anyhow....i meeen regardless of the amps used a 160 in 1-2 is not all that far away....
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