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First, let me thank everyone for all of the feedback that has been posted in this forum. I am very pleased that everyone has such strong feelings regarding the issues at hand.
With that being said, let me re-emphasize that we do not want to see any major changes to the sport. (I have recently read several posts from competitors who are concerned that there may be major changes.) I believe that stability is a key factor in improving the officiating, participation, and growth of dB Drag Racing. We had a great season in 2002 and I feel that stability was one of the key reasons for that. I don't forsee any major changes for the 2003 season.
The purpose of this post is to reassure competitors that sport of dB Drag Racing is not going to change.
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So does this mean no more discussion on the move up rule, or do you not consider that a major change???
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Discussion may take place until the voting is complete.
If we eliminated the "move-up" requirement, would this result in a major change??? I really don't think so. Several teams have already circumvented this rule in 2002. The dBDRA cannot dictate what a competitor does with his or her vehicle outside of the competition lanes. For example, we can't prohibit competitors from selling their vehicles to other competitors. I, for one, don't like having "unenforcable" rules on the book. When this happens, only competitors who are willing to adhere to the "spirit" of the competition will follow the rules.
To me, it doesn't make sense to encourage a person to compete, cultivate them into a World Class competitor, and then lose them to another organization because they are unwilling or unable to move up into another division of competition. The original goal of the Street Division was to encourage new competitors to participate in dB Drag Racing. Well, we all know that things didn't work out as intended. Hence the creation of the Mini Street division. For all practical purposes, the Street Division competitors are as serious about competing as competitors in any other division. I believe that this rule is unneeded and unenforcable.
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So what about Combining 9-12 and 13+ and Adding EXtreme 1 .. EX 1 Ex 2 ex 3-4 ex 5-8 ex 9+
or my personal Favorite
ex 1 ex 2-3 ex 4-6 ex 7-up keeps numbers close and move a few people around to give alook at some new faces in there class!!!!! and opes up for some new speaker cofigurations like 3 woofer set ups and of course the 1 woofer for all the manufactures to run with and put some creativity in it!!!!!!!!!!!
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thanks for this post. it helps people knowing they will not have to try and sell thier quads to either people who really cant use them or dont know how to or else recoil them. that was going to be lot of work for some to have done.
as for move up it should just be gone. your right you cant stop someone from selling the whole car with everything for $1. sad but true.
as for the extreme class, only extreme class people should be deciding that one.
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Discussion may take place until the voting is complete.
If we eliminated the "move-up" requirement, would this result in a major change??? I really don't think so. Several teams have already circumvented this rule in 2002. The dBDRA cannot dictate what a competitor does with his or her vehicle outside of the competition lanes. For example, we can't prohibit competitors from selling their vehicles to other competitors. I, for one, don't like having "unenforcable" rules on the book. When this happens, only competitors who are willing to adhere to the "spirit" of the competition will follow the rules.
To me, it doesn't make sense to encourage a person to compete, cultivate them into a World Class competitor, and then lose them to another organization because they are unwilling or unable to move up into another division of competition. The original goal of the Street Division was to encourage new competitors to participate in dB Drag Racing. Well, we all know that things didn't work out as intended. Hence the creation of the Mini Street division. For all practical purposes, the Street Division competitors are as serious about competing as competitors in any other division. I believe that this rule is unneeded and unenforcable.
Well I know from my point I will NOT be competing in dB Drag if this rule is lifted, so that is just one more competitor that dBdrag has lost, These finalists have spent THOUSANDS of dollars to get there, I for one do NOT have the $$ to go out and buy a 4KW, D3, or a JBL/Crown, therefore as far as this sport is concerned, next years finalists will be Team aztec, Eric Coulter, and Kevin Koller............bottom line is this........MOST of the street class competitors are running thier OWN vehicle, therefore they are NOT going to sell, transfer, ect the car to another team member, Not being able to "police" this rule is NOI that hard, it's real sismple leave the rule in place, and then leave it up to the competitors to be honest, and a good sport.
You say you don't want any "MAJOR" Change in this sport.........UMMM Hello? that would be ONE MAJOR change........New commers are not going to want to come out, and get their A$$ES handed to them, you can look for yourself, look at the so cal events from last season, always the same top 3, Jesse, Victor, and Jerry, maybe not always in that order, but always the same 3, now look at all the "newbe's" that went to a couple of those shows, they realized that it was the same 3, and never showed up again.......is that how you want this sport to go?? how long has this rule been in effect??
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Regardless of the class, whoever knows how to use the resources to get louder than the competition will win. This is what DB Drag is all about. It excites me knowing that when I compete in DB Drag once I get out of school, I will be competing with the best, and hopefully be the best.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Discussion may take place until the voting is complete.
If we eliminated the "move-up" requirement, would this result in a major change??? I really don't think so. Several teams have already circumvented this rule in 2002. The dBDRA cannot dictate what a competitor does with his or her vehicle outside of the competition lanes. For example, we can't prohibit competitors from selling their vehicles to other competitors. I, for one, don't like having "unenforcable" rules on the book. When this happens, only competitors who are willing to adhere to the "spirit" of the competition will follow the rules.
To me, it doesn't make sense to encourage a person to compete, cultivate them into a World Class competitor, and then lose them to another organization because they are unwilling or unable to move up into another division of competition. The original goal of the Street Division was to encourage new competitors to participate in dB Drag Racing. Well, we all know that things didn't work out as intended. Hence the creation of the Mini Street division. For all practical purposes, the Street Division competitors are as serious about competing as competitors in any other division. I believe that this rule is unneeded and unenforcable.
Well I know from my point I will NOT be competing in dB Drag if this rule is lifted, so that is just one more competitor that dBdrag has lost, These finalists have spent THOUSANDS of dollars to get there, I for one do NOT have the $$ to go out and buy a 4KW, D3, or a JBL/Crown, therefore as far as this sport is concerned, next years finalists will be Team aztec, Eric Coulter, and Kevin Koller............bottom line is this........MOST of the street class competitors are running thier OWN vehicle, therefore they are NOT going to sell, transfer, ect the car to another team member, Not being able to "police" this rule is NOI that hard, it's real sismple leave the rule in place, and then leave it up to the competitors to be honest, and a good sport.
You say you don't want any "MAJOR" Change in this sport.........UMMM Hello? that would be ONE MAJOR change........New commers are not going to want to come out, and get their A$$ES handed to them, you can look for yourself, look at the so cal events from last season, always the same top 3, Jesse, Victor, and Jerry, maybe not always in that order, but always the same 3, now look at all the "newbe's" that went to a couple of those shows, they realized that it was the same 3, and never showed up again.......is that how you want this sport to go?? how long has this rule been in effect??
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Thanks Wayne, I too would like to see very little in the form of change - as it is important for the competitors to start learning the rules as they are, possibly with a few additions but the classes IMO should stay relativly the same.
With regards to the move up I believe it should stay - the competitor should be honest and let him police himself, if they comeback the next year then it should be with egg on his face ie the rest of the competitors should redicule him/her.
Thanks for all the effort.
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quote: idbl_fanatic: MOST of the street class competitors are running thier OWN vehicle, therefore they are NOT going to sell, transfer, ect the car to another team member, Not being able to "police" this rule is NOI that hard, it's real sismple leave the rule in place, and then leave it up to the competitors to be honest, and a good sport.
Uh huh, sure, and not even one will help a friend/Sister/Brother/Dog to build a similar system in a similar vehicle (ringing any bells?) and hit even more due to new testing and upgrades.
"...UMMM Hello", you know as well as everyone else that Wayne is right on the mark when he wrote that it is impossible to enforce.
And if you can't afford to spend what the others are spending for a 4Kw, JBL Crown, D20, etc... oh well, not everyone can win, so be content to be fairly loud locally, and just go for the fun of it, and enjoy getting your own system as loud as possible with studying, testing, and upgrading.
quote: idbl_fanatic: ...look at all the "newbe's" that went to a couple of those shows././.and never showed up again...
Do we even want people who have to win from the start and if they can't just run away? I would rather see someone who has stuck with it for enough time (a season or two, like most people out here) to learn the turns, twists, tricks, and designs, and have worked their way to being a viable contender.
- They are the ones who experience the most satisfaction anyway .
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quote: idbl_fanatic: MOST of the street class competitors are running thier OWN vehicle, therefore they are NOT going to sell, transfer, ect the car to another team member, Not being able to "police" this rule is NOI that hard, it's real sismple leave the rule in place, and then leave it up to the competitors to be honest, and a good sport.
Uh huh, sure, and not even one will help a friend/Sister/Brother/Dog to build a similar system in a similar vehicle (ringing any bells?) and hit even more due to new testing and upgrades.
"...UMMM Hello", you know as well as everyone else that Wayne is right on the mark when he wrote that it is impossible to enforce.
And if you can't afford to spend what the others are spending for a 4Kw, JBL Crown, D20, etc... oh well, not everyone can win, so be content to be fairly loud locally, and just go for the fun of it, and enjoy getting your own system as loud as possible with studying, testing, and upgrading.
quote: idbl_fanatic: ...look at all the "newbe's" that went to a couple of those shows././.and never showed up again...
Do we even want people who have to win from the start and if they can't just run away? I would rather see someone who has stuck with it for enough time (a season or two, like most people out here) to learn the turns, twists, tricks, and designs, and have worked their way to being a viable contender.
- They are the ones who experience the most satisfaction anyway .
Amen Q..amen..to that....i am on of those who has stuck around losing for a few years and lerned those tricks to get louder..to me that is what it is all about...selfgratification.....i hae entered shows just to take 5th or 4th place just because i love this sport/hobbie..........i dont drink, smoke or chew....DB Drag is my vice..and it is much more adictive than any drug..........
P.S. adding a single 15 to street 1-2 is not a major change eather
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quote: idbl_fanatic: MOST of the street class competitors are running thier OWN vehicle, therefore they are NOT going to sell, transfer, ect the car to another team member, Not being able to "police" this rule is NOI that hard, it's real sismple leave the rule in place, and then leave it up to the competitors to be honest, and a good sport.
Uh huh, sure, and not even one will help a friend/Sister/Brother/Dog to build a similar system in a similar vehicle (ringing any bells?) and hit even more due to new testing and upgrades.
"...UMMM Hello", you know as well as everyone else that Wayne is right on the mark when he wrote that it is impossible to enforce.
And if you can't afford to spend what the others are spending for a 4Kw, JBL Crown, D20, etc... oh well, not everyone can win, so be content to be fairly loud locally, and just go for the fun of it, and enjoy getting your own system as loud as possible with studying, testing, and upgrading.
quote: idbl_fanatic: ...look at all the "newbe's" that went to a couple of those shows././.and never showed up again...
Do we even want people who have to win from the start and if they can't just run away? I would rather see someone who has stuck with it for enough time (a season or two, like most people out here) to learn the turns, twists, tricks, and designs, and have worked their way to being a viable contender.
- They are the ones who experience the most satisfaction anyway .
As a matter of fact, it is a good idea to keep the vote to members, because I certainly don't want the fate of competitors in the hands of disqualified ex-dB dragracers that can't let grudges go.
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quote: idbl_fanatic: MOST of the street class competitors are running thier OWN vehicle, therefore they are NOT going to sell, transfer, ect the car to another team member, Not being able to "police" this rule is NOI that hard, it's real sismple leave the rule in place, and then leave it up to the competitors to be honest, and a good sport.
Uh huh, sure, and not even one will help a friend/Sister/Brother/Dog to build a similar system in a similar vehicle (ringing any bells?) and hit even more due to new testing and upgrades.
"...UMMM Hello", you know as well as everyone else that Wayne is right on the mark when he wrote that it is impossible to enforce.
And if you can't afford to spend what the others are spending for a 4Kw, JBL Crown, D20, etc... oh well, not everyone can win, so be content to be fairly loud locally, and just go for the fun of it, and enjoy getting your own system as loud as possible with studying, testing, and upgrading.
quote: idbl_fanatic: ...look at all the "newbe's" that went to a couple of those shows././.and never showed up again...
Do we even want people who have to win from the start and if they can't just run away? I would rather see someone who has stuck with it for enough time (a season or two, like most people out here) to learn the turns, twists, tricks, and designs, and have worked their way to being a viable contender.
- They are the ones who experience the most satisfaction anyway .
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Discussion may take place until the voting is complete.
If we eliminated the "move-up" requirement, would this result in a major change??? I really don't think so. Several teams have already circumvented this rule in 2002. The dBDRA cannot dictate what a competitor does with his or her vehicle outside of the competition lanes. For example, we can't prohibit competitors from selling their vehicles to other competitors. I, for one, don't like having "unenforcable" rules on the book. When this happens, only competitors who are willing to adhere to the "spirit" of the competition will follow the rules.
To me, it doesn't make sense to encourage a person to compete, cultivate them into a World Class competitor, and then lose them to another organization because they are unwilling or unable to move up into another division of competition. The original goal of the Street Division was to encourage new competitors to participate in dB Drag Racing. Well, we all know that things didn't work out as intended. Hence the creation of the Mini Street division. For all practical purposes, the Street Division competitors are as serious about competing as competitors in any other division. I believe that this rule is unneeded and unenforcable.
Well I know from my point I will NOT be competing in dB Drag if this rule is lifted, so that is just one more competitor that dBdrag has lost, These finalists have spent THOUSANDS of dollars to get there, I for one do NOT have the $$ to go out and buy a 4KW, D3, or a JBL/Crown, therefore as far as this sport is concerned, next years finalists will be Team aztec, Eric Coulter, and Kevin Koller............bottom line is this........MOST of the street class competitors are running thier OWN vehicle, therefore they are NOT going to sell, transfer, ect the car to another team member, Not being able to "police" this rule is NOI that hard, it's real sismple leave the rule in place, and then leave it up to the competitors to be honest, and a good sport.
You say you don't want any "MAJOR" Change in this sport.........UMMM Hello? that would be ONE MAJOR change........New commers are not going to want to come out, and get their A$$ES handed to them, you can look for yourself, look at the so cal events from last season, always the same top 3, Jesse, Victor, and Jerry, maybe not always in that order, but always the same 3, now look at all the "newbe's" that went to a couple of those shows, they realized that it was the same 3, and never showed up again.......is that how you want this sport to go?? how long has this rule been in effect??
I totally agree.. I am in the process of considering competing next year, and I am in the same boat, I cannot afford to spend thousands of dollars on an amplifier, and I do not feel like spending lots of money to goto shows and get my arse handed to me.. but I guess everyone can't be pleased. Im still hoping for a Street 1 sub class.. that would rock
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Even tho I am new and not yet a paid memember of DBDrag, I feel that the topics at hand are getting out of hand. When will the voteing begin so all of us know what to expect and start to do for the next season? I plan to run the street 1-2 and honestly don't care if the move up rule is in effect or not and quads are useable or not, however the 4kw is in concern, not because it is 4000 watts, but that fact that it is just 2 amps stacked on top of each other, but if its allowed I again don't care if it is used. I feel that the sport should be fun and yet the rules topics are makeing it sound like it is war against everyone, and not the fun that we all should be haveing. As the classes go, well the 2 extreme classes should be combined and well I guess the extreme 1 sub class would prob be more watched, even tho the 1 sub street would be nice. :-) Thank you for reading and well hope things pan out soon and I can start my new building process with either 1-15 in street 1-2 or 2=12's in street 1-2.
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