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You going to run your 12v amps at 42v?????? good luck.
And under the current rules, these cars are illegal to compete, and yes, I know that there are already hybrid cars out there with 42v battery banks.... I had a goooood look at the alternators? they use
So then a 16v battery has as much to do with 12v car audio, as a 110v battery has to do with a 36v amplifier.....
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quote:Originally posted by Dropcivix: They did? I tought that was the street jammers portion were you were not allowed to play test tones, just music. Wouldn't mini street be allowed to play test tones?
That's at the promoters discretion. But it's equal across the boards - the point of mini street is to have somewhere the inexperienced can play - they don't have to know "what their frequency" is, and don't need tens of thousands of watts to power two woofers to be competitive. It's a retail/industry-promoting oriented class.
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Extreme competitors using plexiglass build-downs to circumvent the "unobstructed view" rule. Bracing size should come into effect here clear or not. - No clingsheild either.
Competitors using very thick mat type material. (Currently, the rules permit up to 2 layers of mat-type material without specifying thickness.) Matt thickness should be specified irrelavent of type.
Team name abuses. Using multiple vehicles under the same team name, etc. Team names This is a big problem with my competitors - I want it stopped totally - One Team car only they can have team stickers on the car but thats it......
Extreme Buildups mus be reduced..I recomend a few things - 1. Middle consol 8" wide max. 2. Min flat surface area be it for sitting or for mic stand either side of 20"sq 3.Dash surface area 4"min & 7"max from window line out. 4. 40" from floor to roof 5. 25" front to back (inside front compartment) 6. 3"max door build out.
Superstreet at least one seat in front at all times.
Hearing loss - Protection - competitors who wish to remain in the car during +140 burps must sign a waiver - on the dash form, checked by lane judges. Just my humble thoughts
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quote:Originally posted by firestarter: You going to run your 12v amps at 42v?????? good luck.
And under the current rules, these cars are illegal to compete, and yes, I know that there are already hybrid cars out there with 42v battery banks.... I had a goooood look at the alternators? they use
So then a 16v battery has as much to do with 12v car audio, as a 110v battery has to do with a 36v amplifier.....
no I would'nt compete with a new car... but why argue over 16v when we have car audio amps that handle it and have people like turbo start making the batteries with 2 post to run the car off 12v and the starter off 16.. Better performance!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by bikemike: Extreme Buildups mus be reduced..I recomend a few things -
4. 40" from floor to roof
This will not work. My car was only 40" tall to start with. This is not all usable space to start with. By the time you add that and 2 layers to the floor and a steel headliner fitted to the roof. I was already down to 35 inches. of floor to roof height.
Just giving you a idea of some extreme cars will not be able to accomplish this.The vans would be able to but not the cars.
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quote: Extreme Buildups mus be reduced..I recomend a few things - 1. Middle consol 8" wide max. 2. Min flat surface area be it for sitting or for mic stand either side of 20"sq 3.Dash surface area 4"min & 7"max from window line out. 4. 40" from floor to roof 5. 25" front to back (inside front compartment)
Im not sure where you got your dimensions, but not many of the cars in Extreme 1-2 would pass your test with NO interior mods. I also dont understand wanting 40" of height, but only 25" of front to back depth in the cabin.
Assigning measurements as such would just make all the interiors look close to the same. I dont mind them being all different, I just think the seating positions need to be enforced, by having a drawing of WHAT is expected of us when we build the cars.
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Sorry guys finger problem 40" a bit much [no excuse but I have to convert from mm to inches] i think it should be no less than 35". and the 25 seems a bit small, the numbers are irrelavant now we should do a mock up of an extreme vehicle with numbers to that based on car size - I know it will make all extreme cars look much the same. And I know guys like anthony have a prob with car size - but if you look at it in perspective eventually the interior of an extreme car will be a sealled enclosure which will be defeating the object of a motor car why not bring your speaker box, and do an outlaw run [Sorry Anthony not pointed at you]
I think maybe an introduction of a soft seat for the drivers side [that will throw the cat amongst the pigeons] Im mostley doing a bit of thinking that was asked of me by some spectators who know nothing of the sport.
We also dont have many Extreme cars here is SA to worry to much I was thinking about the headaces the guys have in the states inspecting.
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Mat type sound deadening material should be limited in thickness too. I don't blame Finnish people for using that but what if someone will come with 2 layers of 2 inch ''sound deadening'' mat?
It should be officially allowed to sit in Street class cars with hearing protection! At any loudness! Event organizers should offer adequate headphones to all competitors that don't have them. If we paid 1500 $ (or more in other parts of the world) for measuring system, we as event organizers should offer headphones at no cost to competitors. It can be extra cost for street competitors in loudness over 150 to buy CD Changer, extra mount in dash CD, buy remote (that is optional in many parts of the world)
Another suggestion is that it should be allowed to have CD unit outside car also in street. Best street cars are doing over 150, and many of in dash CD's are skipping at that volume. It would be cheaper for good competitors if they could have CD unit outside.
Firestarters idea on 18V is also interesting. I would like to suggest that dB Drag should limit maximum voltage to 16 or 15V. This would make much more sense to industry. BUT this should not be change for 2003 season! It must be for 2004 or later. Why do we always discus for next season and not for year or two in advance. If this would be change for 2004 than all batteries bought for 2002 would be unusable (because they would be old and discharged) and that wouldn't be extra cost for competitors.
There should also be weight limit on cars. In Europe we have 3.5 T limit that can be counted as personal car or van or mini truck. This should also be limit in SS and E class. Otherwise people will buy too much batteries etc… I don't think that renting car weighting equipment is so expensive for 2-3X events…
There should also be allowed that people have 8'' midbass in front doors. They don't have any influence on score at 150 dB or over, but people here in Europe use them for everyday driving. Many of them are real SPL enthusiasts. Why should we ban them?
12'' size of subs should be more precisely described. Almost all 12'' subs are actually bigger. There should be exact limit on 12'' size, not just: if it is declared 12'' by company!
There shouldn't be use of team names for only mark of competitors. There should always be name, and than maybe team. Not just team!
Another big and important issue for me is that it is not allowed to exchange or borrow equipment on 2-4X, but it can be done on single point. I would like to see that exchange of goods should be prohibited! Otherwise one set of amps and subs can win all classes on one small competition.
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quote:Originally posted by Dragon Lady: In the rule book it flat out states no sitting in vehicles over 140, and no burp buttons/HUs out of the car in street. It has ALWAYS been that way. Whether the individual is dumb enough to play that loud daily driving is his liability - but from a legal standpoint, dbDrag (and other orgs require this as well) could be held liable if they allowed you to be dumb while competing in their event. As lawsuit happy as the country is (ie someone suing mcdonalds because -gasp- fast food is bad for you) some dumbass who went deaf daily driving and went to one dbDrag show, would try to pin it on the dBDRA and Wayne. Huh uh. An HU with a remote, is the LEAST EXPENSIVE part of what it takes in this sport.
At Multi-point events maybe, but on the local level anyone looking to sue is going to go after the shop or the promoter not dBdRA or Wayne.
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we are talking about people in Street class. They drive to competition and listen to music for hours, then they play music at competition and they still sit in the cars, but suddenly they must go out for measurements, but after rhat they crank up music and listen to same sistem, or maybe in the meantime they will go to listen some other cars in SS and E or some loud demo cars...
Are we making life easier for them with rule that they can't sit in cars?
There is only couple people in the world with really loud street systems that can hurt ears and they already have a lot of experience to know what is safe.
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quote:Originally posted by bikemike: Extreme Buildups mus be reduced..I recomend a few things - 1. Middle consol 8" wide max. 2. Min flat surface area be it for sitting or for mic stand either side of 20"sq 3.Dash surface area 4"min & 7"max from window line out. 4. 40" from floor to roof 5. 25" front to back (inside front compartment) 6. 3"max door build out.
Superstreet at least one seat in front at all times.
Why chance things that work? IMHO it´s not allways the widest center console as possible that works best. These kind of restrictions will lead in situation that all extreme cars look all same inside and there is not much room for creativity.... after all this is extreme class.
I agree that sitting rule should be clarified more and few other thing that has allready point out here earlier.
I don't care either way about the who makes what and who uses what, but....
6-3 sys some thing like the audio equipment must be powered by the cars primary electrical system....additionaly...the primary system is one that runs ***" ALL "*** equipment in the car.
I am NOT a mecanic but I am willing to bet that 95% of the competing cars using 16-8 volt set up do NOT run on 16 or 18 volts. cars computers and ignightions are not designed to operateat more than 15. heck, most automotive light bulbs blow up after about 16. so having on rule stating we can use up to 18 volts and then exluding almost any veical made after 1980 from being able to adapt to it is kinda misleading.
I quess my point is that you can NOT (95% of the time) have voltage of 17.9, and call it primary...yea, i supose you can buy a step down box or use reistors (what ever) but is that still inside the intent of rule 6-3?
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Hi. I hava a 1999 chevrolet cavalier for use to go to a show.,the car is a two door sedan.,the problem is that it is my moms and she has a lot of "her stuff" in the trunk.,so the cars trunk is unavailable to my two cubic foot box.,and jensen two channel amp.,my only option was to place the box in the rear seat.,well they placed me in the super street division.,can you please explain what advantage a pair of ten inch pyramid subs in a two cubic foot box has in sitting in the rear seat and why this huge advantage placed me in super street? Please can you consider a rule change similar to the IDBL? We also went there with the same setup and they said "no problem" you are "stock" . Please? I mean there is no way a jensen amp and pyramid subs are going to world finals.,regardless of where the box is placed.,you folks complain that you want more folks at a comp.,ok.,please consider the guy with a little box.,thank you.
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