i believe this rule about not being able to sit in a street car while being burped is riduculous.
Competitors should be allowed to burp their vehicles from inside the car (street)
i have seen many beginners complain about this rule at shows , and have seen many lose because of it.
what is the intention of the rule? to protect hearing? of course. then REQUIRE hearing protection!!
my opinon is the car is a street car. built to PLAY MUSIC. if the car is capable of levels over 140dB, that person is going to listen to it that loud anyhow!
so i say lift the 140dB rule altogether providing the competitor uses hearing protection!!!
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quote:Originally posted by pipebomb: this brings up another issue...
Sitting in street cars.
i believe this rule about not being able to sit in a street car while being burped is riduculous.
Competitors should be allowed to burp their vehicles from inside the car (street)
i have seen many beginners complain about this rule at shows , and have seen many lose because of it.
what is the intention of the rule? to protect hearing? of course. then REQUIRE hearing protection!!
my opinon is the car is a street car. built to PLAY MUSIC. if the car is capable of levels over 140dB, that person is going to listen to it that loud anyhow!
so i say lift the 140dB rule altogether providing the competitor uses hearing protection!!!
This is up to those whom are running the 1x shows...if they ask and have ear plugs....they can do so at their own risk....
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I think that if the CRX seats should not have to be able to move all the way back when the box is in place, then an SUV should be able to leave the rear folding seats down when pushing the box forward in its playing position.
If an SUV has to show normal usage of a rear seat folding up then a CRX/2 seater should have to have full normal usage in its front seats. They should go hand in hand.
Eric
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Most cars are louder with someone sitting inside. You might think i am joking, but it has been tested and proven.
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quote:Originally posted by SPLfreek: I think that if the CRX seats should not have to be able to move all the way back when the box is in place, then an SUV should be able to leave the rear folding seats down when pushing the box forward in its playing position.
If an SUV has to show normal usage of a rear seat folding up then a CRX/2 seater should have to have full normal usage in its front seats. They should go hand in hand.
Eric
Yes i agree...it is not fair to have the seats up to alow amps placed in front of the door jams...this is in the same respect as the folddown seats still being functional with the box in its final position....the only vehical that this rule should not have to pertain to is standard cab trucks......the seats should move freely like they did from the factory in every other vehical....
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Get the "traditional seating manner" normalized between all nations.
My understanding is Team BS has a considerable different interior in Europe. One that is quiter because they enfore the "traditional seating manner" rule.
If we have world records, the rules need to be enforced the same. A jig made from 2x4's could do the job. Once again, I remember a fairly good post on this before the 2002 rules.
Someone want to dig it up?
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It dosen't seem to matter about having amps behind the seat of a CRX, i am 6'3" tall, my amps fit behind the seat.I drove my car to all but three shows all year,and back and forth to work.As for the moving up rule,it doesn't matter to me, i planned on moving up after this season anyway.I don't think anyone in street thought they would be able to stay in street,so move up.I would also like to talk about adding a one sub class in all catagories.I think it would make for an easier transition from street to a higher class,without breaking the bank.
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I think a picture defining Normal Siting Position would be great tool in consistency Judging. Also Normal Siting Position should be applied to all classes !! In that Case SS vehicles should be allowed to fold the front seats in such way that doesn allow normal siting ? What do you think???
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I AGREE WITH THE NATURAL ABOUT SAFTEY AND THATS A GOOD ONE FOR THAT AND WAYNE ALSO SHOULD MAKE ALL CARS HAVE FIRE extinguishers IN THE CARS AND ONE IN THE LANES TO FOR SAFTEY I HAVE SEEN TO MANY FIRES IN CARS AND ITS NOT FUN TO SEE THAT
SO WAYNE THATS ANOTHER ONE TO LOOK AT FOR SAFTEY
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NO former world finals invitees or people who work for a shop (pros) competing in mini-street. I didn't think this needed to be stated out of pride, but I saw this happen this past year on more than one occasion.
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quote:Originally posted by MoparBass28: Oh forgot one. As far as vans go, I say like the other posts, let us with vans push the box forward to the jambs like the crx's, I see nuthing we have to gain by this but maybe a db, if that.
I like this guy.
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the plexi build downs on the roof need to go, plus we need to do something about some of these extreme dashes, if you can see the dash threw the front windshield, and not the speaker wall, then that not unabstucked veiwing area right?. plus these batteries boxes in ss, i have one, it is no lower then the lowest point on the bottom of the car, that should be in the rules, these boxes that are 2 inches from the ground just are not safe.
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"Now thats what I consider a traditional seating position. I think a picture with that body outline should be included in the rulebook."
Exellent idea. Have some kind of rule that states that the feet be flat and on the same plain as your bum. also have a min requirement of 15" from your chin to your bum. this would give you a better seating style and would get rid of some grey areas.
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Well regarding the tint issue. I personaly tinted the side windows of my van dark to keep out nosey thieves. As my van was broke into 3 weeks before finals causing me to pull all my equipment. And putting it back right before finals.I kept a black sheet over the subs/enclosure not to hide from competiters but to thieving spectators at local shows,or while driving around town or to shows. When at finals they asked me about it right after pulling in ,and i told them i drove all the way up there (750+)miles van weighting 6500#s and the van was sitting out in the parking lot. You get a little paranoid about 10,000$ worth of equipment ya know. As far as tinting the windshild I think thats a n0-n0.My jeep i did that but it sucked drivin around town at night Just my 2c worth Posts: 29 | From: Nevernever land | Registered: Sep 2002
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quote:Originally posted by HDBDRA: I think a picture defining Normal Siting Position would be great tool in consistency Judging. Also Normal Siting Position should be applied to all classes !! In that Case SS vehicles should be allowed to fold the front seats in such way that doesn allow normal siting ? What do you think???
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If we are talking about things that ARE NOT CAR AUDIO, then take the voltage limit down a bit. Come on, charging a normal 12v cell at 18 volts is just very stupid, so everyone is encouraged to buy 14v and 16v setups. What the F has this got to do with "normal" car audio? like how many daily drivers actually run on 16v tractor batteries???
And if there was a 15v limit (or 16 v to stop some of the cry babys) this would help develop MORE good 12v cells, which would actually help the industry, instead of which, we all go our own ways of constructing an over voltage setup.... (I have 14 x 2v Diesel locomotive/train starter batteries... which gives me a 14v nominal, 15.2 float, they weigh in at 700 pounds+ like this is car audio???)
And Amp manufacturers would develop the amps to run AT 12v, instread of going un-regulated at 16v... (Sorry DD) what is actually the point of that in the "real" world of car audio?
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I like the number idea i Look at nhra an all the drag racing assoc. they all have #'s when they register ... jus like as in our termpro name we have #'s .. i think the # should be very visable .. an actually come from dbdra when we register .. i have most of my rear windows in my new db drag car spray painted .. besides the 2 frnt side windowsn an the front windsheild ... my car is an everyday driver not trailered .. i livei n a city known for stealin ... but anytime anyone has ever asked to see anything im with a quickness to show em ... i dont think windowns have anyting to do with this i think all doors hatches .. everything needs to be open an not closed an locked up an i think the judges need to make sure of this at shows ..
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THE WICKED CLOWNZ WILL NEVER DIE..!! Posts: 7 | From: Lakeland,FL | Registered: Nov 2002
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quote:Originally posted by pipebomb: this brings up another issue...
Sitting in street cars.
i believe this rule about not being able to sit in a street car while being burped is riduculous.
Competitors should be allowed to burp their vehicles from inside the car (street)
i have seen many beginners complain about this rule at shows , and have seen many lose because of it.
what is the intention of the rule? to protect hearing? of course. then REQUIRE hearing protection!!
my opinon is the car is a street car. built to PLAY MUSIC. if the car is capable of levels over 140dB, that person is going to listen to it that loud anyhow!
so i say lift the 140dB rule altogether providing the competitor uses hearing protection!!!
I wear ear protection when i sit in my car during competions. At the state finals, i was told i was not allowed to sit my car during comp. My car has a POS headunit without a remote so i have burp it from inside the vehicle. This kinda screwed me because my amp clipped half way through and couldn't reste it and oh ya, i didn't break 140 at the event. Let people with street cars sit in their cars during comp.
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In the rule book it flat out states no sitting in vehicles over 140, and no burp buttons/HUs out of the car in street. It has ALWAYS been that way. Whether the individual is dumb enough to play that loud daily driving is his liability - but from a legal standpoint, dbDrag (and other orgs require this as well) could be held liable if they allowed you to be dumb while competing in their event. As lawsuit happy as the country is (ie someone suing mcdonalds because -gasp- fast food is bad for you) some dumbass who went deaf daily driving and went to one dbDrag show, would try to pin it on the dBDRA and Wayne. Huh uh. An HU with a remote, is the LEAST EXPENSIVE part of what it takes in this sport.
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Damn it she's right. But about the new people who are entering street for the first time and don't know the rules? Should they be penalized because they don't have a remote for their headunit? What if they hit didn't think they would hit 140 and hit it will in the car. Should they be disqualified for this?
quote:Originally posted by Dropcivix: Damn it she's right. But about the new people who are entering street for the first time and don't know the rules? Should they be penalized because they don't have a remote for their headunit? What if they hit didn't think they would hit 140 and hit it will in the car. Should they be disqualified for this?
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