quote:Originally posted by MoparBass28: I believe the van should be able to move the box up, have you seen any vans place good at finals ? I havent and know a few people with vans and that again is discourageing to us, yes I own a van to. I just don't see how the van would benifit from this, but then again maybe it might by .5 db's or maybe 1db. Just enough to help it be a little more competetive.
I can tell you are new...last season because the vans could have the box all the way up they doninated street class...and went 1-2 in both 3-4 and 1-2 and set a record of 157dbs in 1-2 that has yet to be matched....thus the addition of the b-pillar rule...
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Thank you for letting me know, I didn't and now understand why they have to be farther back.
just dont see how it would make that much of a differance, I only gained .5 db's when moveing my box from the back to the front, but again no biggy will work with what I have and get louder.LOL
quote:Originally posted by MoparBass28: Thank you for letting me know, I didn't and now understand why they have to be farther back.
just dont see how it would make that much of a differance, I only gained .5 db's when moveing my box from the back to the front, but again no biggy will work with what I have and get louder.LOL
What happened is when you can use the whole 8'x4'x2' cargo area you can make a gigantic box....understand now??
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well mine isnt that large, due to the bench/bed I have behind the front seats. Now I do have 5 feet wide by 5 feet deep and 28 inches tall to stay under the back windoe line. :-) and yes I get it, I don't know if you are tryin to be smart to me or ? but I have been building boxes for awhile and know what a bigger box will due :-) Not tryin to be an ass with that, just not sure if that was your intent or not. sorry if I did come off ass an ass for posting this.
quote:Originally posted by MoparBass28: well mine isnt that large, due to the bench/bed I have behind the front seats. Now I do have 5 feet wide by 5 feet deep and 28 inches tall to stay under the back windoe line. :-) and yes I get it, I don't know if you are tryin to be smart to me or ? but I have been building boxes for awhile and know what a bigger box will due :-) Not tryin to be an ass with that, just not sure if that was your intent or not. sorry if I did come off ass an ass for posting this.
I'm just stating a fact...not being a smart as or anything..in a caravan or astro since the back seast are removable they wont get in the way if you move up the box...i meen i am limmited to the back of my Voyager and i can still legaly squeeze 25cuft out of it....
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as far as the 4kw vs. D3 discussion goes...although the D3 had beaten the 4kw in some instances...doesnt make the 4kw a fair amp. I mean...im sure people could have beaten it with other amps as well. The box and install is as important if not more than the power. Also, what subs were being used, some subs are just louder with less power. Comparing the two amps as far as power vs. power is concerned the only way to do it would be same box, same set up 100%, and their each optimum ohm. So, as far as the 4kw being two amps in one chassis is concerned...i guess it is a "cheater amp", but is it possible to dis-allow it because it is one chassis...????
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Sorry, I never read all 8 pages, but I would like to know what people think about SS5-6 as a class....just thinking
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quote:Originally posted by Roc-Botm: Sorry, I never read all 8 pages, but I would like to know what people think about SS5-6 as a class....just thinking
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If you have a 5-6..you would need a 7-8........that aint gona happen...it is better for it to be in doubling of the sub number.....from 1 sub to 2 subs to 3-4 to 5-8 to 9 and more.....
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Wayne , what can we do about the POWER in fairness , for example , i am in ss3-4 and running 3 15"s and only got 6000 watts 4 batts and 1 alt , and i am going against someone with 3 15"s and 45000 watts , 22 batts , and 2 alt. , can we make a bracket for Mid Extreme vihicles for this reason. like say SS can only exceed something like ooo 20000 watts , and anything that has more but remain to keep there default interior and dash and stuff would be Mid Extreme. I ran against my friends that have 2400 to 6000 watts and come alot closer in score and more compeditive than someone with 45000 watts of power and get my booty spanked. and i here more about the SS class than any other class not being fair and non competitive. OR consider those people that have more than 20000 watts , move them to Extreme and move the Extreme people to Super Extreme to keep a theme going.
For Ex. Street Super Street Extreme Super Extreme and maybe Domination class for anyone hitting 173+
I think that extra street class may serve it´s purpose for a while but not very long. No matter what you do it will be over run by professionals (helpping new compertitors) or/and few new guys will be hitting so hard numbers, that those who are willing to try this sport, are now affraid to come.
Don't know if you have tried class that it isn't official class for new guys? mayby something like that would work?
I think Exreme 1 would be easiest to manage (not have to be affraid of scores getting too high like new street class). I agree with Nate, his points were very valid.
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speaking as a bugdet competitor a one 12 class would help in the local seen. I run all used equipment. In 1-2 street. at the local level (state). one twelve all cut the cost alot. I want to buy new speakers but when your amp cost you two hundred used you do not what to buy five hundred dollar twelves. I would run one twelve for 1-2 hundred dollars and I 300 watt amp pushed down to 2 ohm brigde untill it give out then maybe a jbl 1200.1 or memphis 500D for about three. with one twelve spl comes down to install. I would like to see it.
Most street competitor only worry about the local level. (like me) mini street is a joke here.
There should be a state final for each state in street or ministreet then it would grow.
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From a retailer/show holder's point of view, the more changes you make to the street classes, the more difficult it becomes to convince potential customers/competitors to compete. Entry-level competitors need rules that are simple and easy to understand. I feel that at any local competition, the no-wall class is more than enough to satisfy those who own 15 inch subs.
I think the street classes should stay how they are. Or maybe even make the rules LESS complicated and remove the amplifier limitation. Then we wouldnt have the problems with people having to buy 4kws and D3s just to be competitive. The power limitation would then come from the battery.
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First off that isn't not even close to fair having 1-12 or 2 10s in one class! That would cause some major cone area differnce, so that shouldnt happen. Face it cone area matters in street. You dont see many if any people running 1 sub in street 12, or 3 subs in 3-4. Why would you? You would pretty much be takeing yourself out of the running from lacking the extra conearea. Now for the no amp limit in street. The amp limit should stay the same as 2002,if you ask me. As far as adding a 15 i really think it should be over looked in street! Since most people buy 12s to get into it. However if you do it you have a cone area factor again and the 2 12s would have the upper hand. So if it does go through i wouldnt have a problem with it! However if you do have a single 15 it should be the street 1-2 class. As for adding a single sub street class 12in max i feel the sport would still benifit greatly. It would actully gain the inturst of many i can almost promise you that! So i feel that should be done!
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quote:Originally posted by avogel: Heres my thoughts: Street A 0-160 1 amp 1 battery Street B 161-360 1 amp 1 battery Street C 361+ 2 amps 2 battery All other street rules still apply
I think it would be cool to have a class that at most could have 2 10s or 1 12. This would also be a very affordable class for anyone. Street C could produce some very big numbers, yet not cost as much as moving up to Superstreet. Overall I think that cone area is a great idea!
I personally like this idea. It makes Street A class pretty competitive and cheap for those who dont want to invest that much into doing a street setup.
quote:Originally posted by avogel: Heres my thoughts: Street A 0-160 1 amp 1 battery Street B 161-360 1 amp 1 battery Street C 361+ 2 amps 2 battery All other street rules still apply
I think it would be cool to have a class that at most could have 2 10s or 1 12. This would also be a very affordable class for anyone. Street C could produce some very big numbers, yet not cost as much as moving up to Superstreet. Overall I think that cone area is a great idea!
I personally like this idea. It makes Street A class pretty competitive and cheap for those who dont want to invest that much into doing a street setup.
Well one problem is if you do major changes like this alot of the shops and other places that host 1x events will not want to bother.....this is more confussing than just going by number of woffers....Street 1 (one 12 max), street 2 (2 12s or one 15 max) or street 3-4 (4 12s or 2 15s max).....this idea makes for a place for all of the guys running 15s in street instals....they do not deserve to be put in superstreet.....
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I heard that Wayne has said no to Extreme 1. I am very dissappointed.
I think... no I am quite damn sure, we will have Extreme 1 around Europe anyway, but would of been much nicer to have it as an official class.
Here's some idea of the classes... don't have to comment, it's just something that would work - perhaps not in America, but there are other places too you know
Street 1 (max 12" / 1 amp, sub+amp total 1000$/€) Street 2 (max 2 12" or 1 15" and 1 amp) Street 3-4 (max I dunno... two amps)
Super Street 1 NW Super Street 2 NW
Super Street 1 (this is not so important, 1-2 is fine) Super Street 2 Super Street 3-4 Super Street 5+
Extreme 1 Extreme 2 Extreme 3-4 Extreme 5+
And of course, just combine what feels the best at any event.
PS. I do NOT compete. My position does not change in anyway whatever the classes are. I am a dB Drag representative, so all I think is to have this sport better.
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quote:Originally posted by Jani U: I heard that Wayne has said no to Extreme 1. I am very dissappointed.
I think... no I am quite damn sure, we will have Extreme 1 around Europe anyway, but would of been much nicer to have it as an official class.
Here's some idea of the classes... don't have to comment, it's just something that would work - perhaps not in America, but there are other places too you know
Street 1 (max 12" / 1 amp, sub+amp total 1000$/€) Street 2 (max 2 12" or 1 15" and 1 amp) Street 3-4 (max I dunno... two amps)
Super Street 1 NW Super Street 2 NW
Super Street 1 (this is not so important, 1-2 is fine) Super Street 2 Super Street 3-4 Super Street 5+
Extreme 1 Extreme 2 Extreme 3-4 Extreme 5+
And of course, just combine what feels the best at any event.
PS. I do NOT compete. My position does not change in anyway whatever the classes are. I am a dB Drag representative, so all I think is to have this sport better.
Wayne has stated that there are not going to be any major changes and he IS NOT going to change SS at all....and the only change on the table for EX is combinding 9-12 & 13+.........this leaves open one class.....and for the most part it will be more of a benifit to street class since there are more competitors in street than any other class.......this is the class run down that bennifits the most.....
Street 1 (12" max) Street 2 (2 12s or 1 15 max) Street 3-4 (4 12s or 2 15s max)
SS NW SS 1-2 SS 3-4 SS 5-8 SS 9+
EX 1-2 EX 3-4 EX 5-8 EX 9+
Leaving all the runels the same and getting rid of the move up rule......
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