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The biggest concern I have about adding another street class, especially a smaller one like 1 sub, is that it wont be ANY different than the Street 1-2 class we have now. Everyone will STILL be running 4KWs, etc, only putting that same power and electrical system to one woofer. the boxes wont have to be much smaller, and the scores wont be much different.
I have seen people saying that street class is to expensive, the problem is ANY street class that has a 1 amp limit will have the same amps, and the only difference in price would be the cost of 1 woofer. Power limits and MSRP limits wont work either, they are too hard to police, and judges dont like that at all.
quote:Originally posted by ea1: The biggest concern I have about adding another street class, especially a smaller one like 1 sub, is that it wont be ANY different than the Street 1-2 class we have now. Everyone will STILL be running 4KWs, etc, only putting that same power and electrical system to one woofer. the boxes wont have to be much smaller, and the scores wont be much different.
I have seen people saying that street class is to expensive, the problem is ANY street class that has a 1 amp limit will have the same amps, and the only difference in price would be the cost of 1 woofer. Power limits and MSRP limits wont work either, they are too hard to police, and judges dont like that at all.
basicaly any changes that are made will have good and bad effects on the sport..i personaly dont see how eveyone thinks street class if that expencive..i meen 2 $250 subs and one $500 amp is good for a 155 in the right car with a crx box...that aint all that expencive....yes the Zap is very expencive but it was also made to get around the one amp rule in 1-2....no matter what rules are made and no matter how many loopholes we tie up some company will make and amp that will get around the rules..harrison labs did....and the amp got banned....so what makes Zapco that much different??? you can only gett so much power out of a stock electrical system any how....2nd place in street 1-2 had a $750 amp..first had a $4000 amp, .1db difference from 1st to 2nd....maybe another week to work on his system and that 2nd place guy could posibly have found that .1db or even .2dbs....
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I like the idea of having to play a "street" system for the whole 30seconds,i mean think about it if it really is a daily driver i'm sure you would play it longer than 30seconds on a drive to the corner.The systems at finals in street class don't get used ,for the most part,for driving around bumppin.That is what it is supposed to be,30 seconds compaired to a drive around town is nothing.
quote:Originally posted by Drakkule: I like the idea of having to play a "street" system for the whole 30seconds,i mean think about it if it really is a daily driver i'm sure you would play it longer than 30seconds on a drive to the corner.The systems at finals in street class don't get used ,for the most part,for driving around bumppin.That is what it is supposed to be,30 seconds compaired to a drive around town is nothing.
If you want to make a street system a daily driver system then very simple..."your burp frequency can not be above 50hz!!! That is the only fair way to do it..asking for in essence a 30s "death match" is simply asking a first time newby to try and blow up his sub.....point blank....
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Drakkule: [qb]asking for in essence a 30s "death match" is simply asking a first time newby to try and blow up his sub.....point blank....
So?
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Leave them like they are, because just as soon as we get used to them one way, they get changed. This does not allow some to reach their ultimate goal. You dont see drag racing changing there classes around every year?
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Drakkule: [qb]asking for in essence a 30s "death match" is simply asking a first time newby to try and blow up his sub.....point blank....
So?
Well if the sport being too expencive to compete in is a issue than make it so the street class people will have to keep replacing subs is going to make it more expencive yet....even if you use a sweep instead of a test tone and only feed rms power to the sub it will still be much harder on a sub than a 3s burp at 2x the rms power....you want to drive more people away?? Do this 30s endurance thing for street class and after a few shows 90% of the new street competitors will need to replace subs..you know the little guy that this sport needs to get bigger....most newbies dont have DDs, REs, strokers or shockers that can take that kind of abuse...hell i even doupt my L7s could handle that for too many shows.......could this be the reason that "burping" was started in the first place?? If it aint broke ,dont fix it..there is nothing wrong with burping....IMO the only way to force a street system to at least sound good as a daily driver is to limmet street class to tones of 20-50hz........
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quote:Originally posted by FORDNOISE: Leave them like they are, because just as soon as we get used to them one way, they get changed. This does not allow some to reach their ultimate goal. You dont see drag racing changing there classes around every year?
Thanks.
The way this this thread is going i would have to agree......we are getting nothing acomplished with this discution....
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The problem with these rules discussions is that most of you are only thinking of ways to better your position with your posts and not for the good of the organization.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: The problem with these rules discussions is that most of you are only thinking of ways to better your position with your posts and not for the good of the organization.
I for one am not....getting rid of the move up rule would make things much harder for me..but i am still for ridding of it...
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quote:Originally posted by Drakkule: I like the idea of having to play a "street" system for the whole 30seconds,i mean think about it if it really is a daily driver i'm sure you would play it longer than 30seconds on a drive to the corner.The systems at finals in street class don't get used ,for the most part,for driving around bumppin.That is what it is supposed to be,30 seconds compaired to a drive around town is nothing.
If you want to make a street system a daily driver system then very simple..."your burp frequency can not be above 50hz!!! That is the only fair way to do it..asking for in essence a 30s "death match" is simply asking a first time newby to try and blow up his sub.....point blank....
I have one thing to say on that most newbies play their systems longer than most street cars do anyways. Do you see them blowing their subs after 30 secs. on the street, ok maybe a few but not a lot. By switching to the 30 secs you are not gonna need to have deep pockets to compete in street because voltage and current are gonna be the controling factors not wattage.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: The problem with these rules discussions is that most of you are only thinking of ways to better your position with your posts and not for the good of the organization.
Damn, I was thinking the exact same thing.
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quote:Originally posted by Drakkule: I like the idea of having to play a "street" system for the whole 30seconds,i mean think about it if it really is a daily driver i'm sure you would play it longer than 30seconds on a drive to the corner.The systems at finals in street class don't get used ,for the most part,for driving around bumppin.That is what it is supposed to be,30 seconds compaired to a drive around town is nothing.
If you want to make a street system a daily driver system then very simple..."your burp frequency can not be above 50hz!!! That is the only fair way to do it..asking for in essence a 30s "death match" is simply asking a first time newby to try and blow up his sub.....point blank....
I have one thing to say on that most newbies play their systems longer than most street cars do anyways. Do you see them blowing their subs after 30 secs. on the street, ok maybe a few but not a lot. By switching to the 30 secs you are not gonna need to have deep pockets to compete in street because voltage and current are gonna be the controling factors not wattage.
Here is my point..you dont drive down the street blasting test tones do you??? but DB Drag uses them so all competitors are on an even playing field...if you go down the street blasting test tones at 3/4 volume you will see my point....i meen i can play my system all day and blast the heck out of it and without recharging still pull around a 150....and that is with two D2s........the rules in street class are not the problem...people doing everything in their power to get around them is.....
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quote:Originally posted by Drakkule: I like the idea of having to play a "street" system for the whole 30seconds,i mean think about it if it really is a daily driver i'm sure you would play it longer than 30seconds on a drive to the corner.The systems at finals in street class don't get used ,for the most part,for driving around bumppin.That is what it is supposed to be,30 seconds compaired to a drive around town is nothing.
If you want to make a street system a daily driver system then very simple..."your burp frequency can not be above 50hz!!! That is the only fair way to do it..asking for in essence a 30s "death match" is simply asking a first time newby to try and blow up his sub.....point blank....
I have one thing to say on that most newbies play their systems longer than most street cars do anyways. Do you see them blowing their subs after 30 secs. on the street, ok maybe a few but not a lot. By switching to the 30 secs you are not gonna need to have deep pockets to compete in street because voltage and current are gonna be the controling factors not wattage.
and dont forget that doing this would also make the CRX and most other small cars useless in street class with their 60amp stock alts..i meen the new Caravans have 185amp alts stock and most SUVs run from 120 to 160amp alts..you would basicaly put one huge advantage to the vans and SUVs causing more harm than good....i would have certanly faired better doing it that way because of that..my 120amp stock alt is much bigger than the most of the cars i went up against........that would hurt the sport more than it would help the sport....the only changes that could be made to the street class rules that could bennifit the class mostly are the addition of a single 15 and cutting the frequencies to 20-50hz.....
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OK, hope I don't open up too big of can of worms, probably discussed long time ago when they came out.. BUT KICKER 12's, they aren't really 12's!!!
The longest dimesnion is not 12 inches, more like 15 across the sub. Why can't someone build a rectangle sub that has 12 x30 dimensions and call it a 12. KICKER has a distinct advantage in surface area. If you add 1 15 to street , 2 12's will still have 50% more Sd.
If you go to surface area basis: are you going to make the cutoff for rounds or bump it up specifically for one manufacturer. Say you bump it up for two Kicker 12's surface area, well you can run 4 round 10's in that same surface area. Is that fair??
Steve Benton's Mini-Street works well, but he specifies surface area limits, but also basically just uses round subs as the basis. He allows Kicker 12's to run in a class that are over the Sd limit. Advantage KICKER, yes - how big don't know.
ALSO, 18's do not seem pratically for street classes.
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Yes i see your point and yes i have blasted test tones in my truck driving around and Drak can prove that. But db jams 5 has music on it and i am sure next years will be the same way so why not use the music part for street and let test tones for ss and ex. I take the street class as a class that the car is that a car that can be driven and has a loud system that can play what ever music you want. Anyways just my $.02.
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Yes, but the L7's move less because of their square cone. When you combine them being square with their stiff suspension, they are pretty much equal to a round sub.
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quote:Originally posted by FORDNOISE: Leave them like they are, because just as soon as we get used to them one way, they get changed. This does not allow some to reach their ultimate goal. You dont see drag racing changing there classes around every year?
Thanks.
yet you want a car and van class in extreme. ha
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