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There should be no changes other than combining Extreme 9-12 and 13+. Bottom Line.
Eric
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Street Stock: Allow 3-10s other than that, no changes except the number of amps restriction is lifted, but no more than 2 output channels is added (2 channel amp or 2 True Monoblocks). Move up rule still applies. (anticipated top scores in 2003, 154-156)
Street Advanced: Allow 2 15-s, 1-18 (no quads) along with 3-4 12s. Allow up to 4 channels of amplification, with 1 additional battery. Remove the normal use restriction for the rear seats in any vehicle, and allow them to be removed. This class is open to anyone. (anticipated top scores in 2003, 158-161)
SuperStreet 1-2: No changes (anticipated top scores in 2003, 166-168) Superstreet 3+: No more than 32 amps in the vehicle. (anticipated top scores in 2003, 169-174) Extreme 1 (anticipated top scores in 2003, 168-172) Extreme 2-4 (anticipated top scores in 2003, 173-175) Extreme 5+ (anticipated top scores in 2003, 175-178)
I condensed the upper SS and Extreme classes as if you threw out the 1st place score at Finals, the second place scores were all very close. This is 7 classes. This allows room for any of the "speciality" classes discussed in other topics.
Lastly if we look at existing competitors, here is what would have to be changed, rebuilt.
Street 3-4 could stay in Street Advanced. SuperStreet NW could either reduce the number of amps and batteries to go into Street Advanced (open to anyone) or go into SS1-2. The top numbers from Wall and NoWall were the same at finals. Those in the upper Extreme and SS classes that were condensed, could be competitive with their existing install and equipment. This adds one new class, Extreme 1 for those wanting to give a shot at Extreme with the interior mods, but they can only use one woofer (Quad) with a maximum of 8 amps.
I know that Wayne didn't want to change the classes that much, but I did a lot of thinking on what would be the fairest way to divide the existing classes between the competitors. Everyone has a class that they can be competive in with minimal changes from their current setup, and the gap between SS1-2 wall and Street 1-2 has been bridged with the Street Advanced/NW class.
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: However, if we limited the price on amplifiers to say $1200 MSRP (or around there), that would level the playing field. I know that some companies will "skirt" the issue and try to cheat. Well let them, if Zapco or JBL or any other manufacturer out there with a 6000 watt amp wants to put the MSRP under $1200, they'll sell a ton of them. The only requirement is "commercially available" which would mean that anyone with $1200 could walk into a retailer and buy an amp in a timely manner all season long.
For What It's Worth, you are missing a huge thing with MSRP. It stands for Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. So a manufacturer could place the cost of an amp at $1200 thus qualifying. However the dealer could then sell the amp to competitor X for $1200 and to Competitor Y for $10,000. It would come down to who do you want to have the piece. MSRP is merely a suggestion. So it would never work. (I've known shops that charged over MSRP for some equipment )
You also have a problem with older equipment and finding the MSRP. Would it based on that year's MSRP or today's adjusted value of MSRP?
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Street 1-2 (turn street 1-2 into a 30 second enduro match...solves unrealistic amplifier issues)
1-2NW (exclude any and all body modifications to the vehicle...) 1-2 3-4 5-8 9+
Extreme 1-2 3-4 5-8 9+
Other possible suggestions:
1.) Make all classes run enduro 30 second runs...I PROMISE that would be a crowd pleaser!
2.) Impound vehicles between runs and then don't allow any subs or amps to be swapped out or replaced...this would also be a crowd pleaser...think about it...the top dog might loose a sub or a amp and loose the show...you have to know your equipments limits to win!
This would solve multiple problems all at once...quad coil problem just dissappeared...overall financial investment for both competitors and manufacturers just went down...crowd participation will certainly go up!
ps, just throwing out ideas...ya never know, even an idiot comes up with a good one once in a while...
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For street class make them play Bass CD's insted of test tones, with a fully opperational system from front to back. After all, these are street cars. Shedluv showed people what street cars are all about, playing the system longer than 3 seconds or so.
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I still think to eliminate high priced 4kw+ watt amps is just go buy demensions. Its easy to monitor all they have to do is set the limits of how big an amp can be EG 3-4inches high 20inches long, and 6-8inches wide type deal. This way price doesn't come into factor because your not going to find a 6000 watt amp under those demensions. And if someone thinks someones amp is too big all they have to do is measure it and problem solved.
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Personally i agree with alot of the fallowing ideas. I would also like to see an aditional class added to street. Here is somthing i think would work nicely!
street 1 = 1 sub no bigger then 15,
street 1-2 = 1-2 subs no bigger then 12s
street 3-4 = 3-4 subs no bigger then 12s.
Keep the rest of the rules unchanged.
So as you can see this would alow for a single sub class and allow people just starting out to get incheaper. Inadition it would bring in the possibilty of useing a single 15 in a street setup, like so many people do for daily driving.
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I really like the cone area idea...It will help more people utalize the space they have in thier cars, especially for those in street classes. As for power, I say you put a limit on it, even though this would be difficult. I can't see someone who wants to try compete with little dough try to compete with a smaller single amp, against the guy that has a zapco 9.0 and has big bucks to spend. The limit shouldn't be how large your wallet is. That isn't how it should work. Just my opinions on the subject.
quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: OK..the best thing to do is to make it simple and easy like wayne said...we dont want to have too many changes or else it would take away much more from the sport than it would give to it.....
Classes as follows
Street 1-2 (with the addition of a single 15" or 18"to be alowed)
Street 3-4 (no change)
SS NW
SS 1-2
SS 3-4 [/b](all Superstreet classes unchanged)[/b]
SS 5-8
SS 9+
EX 1 (added class)
EX 2
EX 3-4
EX 5-8
EX 9+ (combind 9-12 & 13+ to make room for EX 1)
This would be the most benifital and make the most overall happy...the single 15/18 in street class has been talked about since i started in '00 and the EX 1 sub class seems to be a unanimous decision as well as the combination of EX 9-12 and 13+.......i have seen at least 2-3 people not enter in our local shows because there single 15 & one amp would not stand a chance against 2 15/18s and 4+ amps & batts......
Very Interesting ....
this is the simplest way and it would make the most people happy...
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PLEASE NOOOOOO! 4 CHANNEL AMPS IN STREET 1-2 "yEAH LETS BE COOL AND PUT A 6000 DOLLAR AMP IN A 800.00 CARHOW MANY PEOPLE CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT :
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The only thing i think needs to be changed is adding 15s to Street and I would be Happy with that .There are some pretty cool ideas though cant wait to see how everything turns out.
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quote:Originally posted by Terry: how bout we just leave the classes alone as they are? That would be something new and daring!
That is basicaly what i am saying...combinding EX 9-12 and 13+ is enevidable..i meen there were only 12 people between the two of them at finals...that would free up room for EX 1......then just simply alow a single 15/18 in street 1-2.....very simple and not much different than it is now...
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i have a question i was plannin on runnin ss1-2 or see if i could do ss 1-2 nw .. but my box sit in the rear of my car .. but a top piece which would make it kinda sorty a wall holds mids an highs if i lift up the hatch u can see the sub box an that the top piece is only a board holdin mids an highs an everything sits behind the rear seat .. if i could show them that the top piece had nothing to do with the sub box it self i could i run in a no wall class ..
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quote:Originally posted by TheUnveiling: i have a question i was plannin on runnin ss1-2 or see if i could do ss 1-2 nw .. but my box sit in the rear of my car .. but a top piece which would make it kinda sorty a wall holds mids an highs if i lift up the hatch u can see the sub box an that the top piece is only a board holdin mids an highs an everything sits behind the rear seat .. if i could show them that the top piece had nothing to do with the sub box it self i could i run in a no wall class ..
You would have to remove that top piece durring a comp unless you ran wall...it is an interior mod above the window line...
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quote:Originally posted by THE INSPECTOR: PLEASE NOOOOOO! 4 CHANNEL AMPS IN STREET 1-2 "yEAH LETS BE COOL AND PUT A 6000 DOLLAR AMP IN A 800.00 CARHOW MANY PEOPLE CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT :
hey what about the JBL/Crown thats prob around $6000 and its a 2CH....
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quote:Originally posted by THE INSPECTOR: PLEASE NOOOOOO! 4 CHANNEL AMPS IN STREET 1-2 "yEAH LETS BE COOL AND PUT A 6000 DOLLAR AMP IN A 800.00 CARHOW MANY PEOPLE CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT :
hey what about the JBL/Crown thats prob around $6000 and its a 2CH....
But it is imposible to power it up to 6000wts+ with a stock electrical system and one batt..i look at it this way..a 4kwt Zap took 1st in street 1-2 by .1db over a D3 that everyone can afford since it is nothing more than a fully modded D2...
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6000 watts can be powered on a stock electrical system for about 1 second as that is about how long it takes for the internal caps in the amps to die and suck all of the juice from the battery. That's long enough for one burp, which will work in the street class.
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv: 6000 watts can be powered on a stock electrical system for about 1 second as that is about how long it takes for the internal caps in the amps to die and suck all of the juice from the battery. That's long enough for one burp, which will work in the street class.
But for the most part 1s is not enough to get the best pressure to the mic...if someone wants to run that amp in street..i would be willing to bet $$ that using the same car and install that amp would do no more than a few tenths better than a D3 or 4kwt.....
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quote:Originally posted by MR.TINYTUNES: Superstreet
SS1-2NW SS-1 SS-2 SS3-4 SS5-7 SS8+
Extreme E-1 E-2 E3-4 E5-7 E8+
Wouldnt work...Wayne said a max of 12 classes...that would meen the elimination of Street 1-2 or 3-4....and IMO it would be stupid to change 90% of the classifications because this would effect most competitors and drive many away...it is best to make a few changes as posible..if we change the format too much from season to season then alot of people will just get sick of it and go elsewhere to compete....as Wayne stated Superstreet is off limmets..no changes are to be made to it and the only major change that is being proposed is the combination of EX 9-12 and 13+....and 99.9% of us agree with that...also most like the idea of adding a singel 15 or 18 to street 1-2 and a one sub EX class......
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