quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Quads are already prohibited in the Street Division.
Yes..i know this is was just suggesting to take them out of NW also..as i stated before, the numbers in NW and 1-2 are the same...finals is proff enough.....taking quads out of NW will make it an easier step up from Street class and make for a bit of seperation from NW and 1-2.....
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I had mentioned the different classes just trying to get it down to 10 classes. If the others are off limits, then I would say just combine 9-12 and 13+, and add extreme 1. Adding a third street class has never had real support, and I think it would prohibit people from 'moving up'.
I do propose the combining of classes be allowed at ALL shows except finals....
IE Double points can have just 1 open extreme class, and Triples can have just 2 extreme classes (like 1-4, and 4+), due to the lack of participation from extreme cars at the majority of multipointers (its too expensive to get extra points for most of us, so we stop at 100 )
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If I had to choose between the addition of another street class or another extreme class with the combination of 9-12 and 13+, I would rather see an additional street class. I like the cone area idea, and I think the breakdown should be this:
Street A: 0-145 in^2 going by outside diameter of sub generally. Basicly 2 8s, one 10, or one 12 (including the square 12s)
Street B: 146-290 in^2, which would encompass 5 8s, 3 10s, 2 12s, 1 15, or 1 18.
Street C: 291-650 in^2, so...12 8s, 8 10s, 5 12s, 3 15s, or 2 18s.
I'm still wondering on the upper limit of the C class, but 650 may work. I would do these to allow the novice competitor a shot with one 10 or 12, allow the normal S 1-2 competitors to run in the B class, and allow a little more cone area in the big street class to bring up the scores a little bit and advance things. I would do 1 batt, stock alt, and one amp in the A and B classes, but allow 2 batts, stock alt, and two amps in the C class. Also I think quad coils shouldn't be banned in street, simply because there is an amp limit already, and the advantage of being able to run more power per sub really isn't there anyways.
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quote:Originally posted by MoparBass28: I still say a single 15 should be the max in street 1-2.
and again with the box in a van to be able to move it up behind the rear jambs of the front doors.
I have a van and i say the B-pillar rule should stay...take on look at the top tow street 1-2 "vans" from last season.....they would have finnished 1 2 this year two......
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Street C: 291-650 in^2, so...12 8s, 8 10s, 5 12s, 3 15s, or 2 18s.
This is why we have supperstreet in the first place..you cant install or even properly power that in a street type install...let alone have it in a daily driver....that is what street is all about in the first place......how many vihicals short of a van can you stuff all that into without a wall or at least removing the back seat.......and like stated above....it is best that all classes use the same type of classification..to avoid confusion for the judges and show promoters.....aka.. s 1-2, s 3-4...ss 1-2, ss 3-4 and so on...
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All are in the same bracket, but the extreme 1-2 cars get 8 and 7 points. Extreme 3-4 gets 8 points. Extreme 5-8 get 8 and 7. 9+ get 8, 7, and 6. This way the show goes faster, but the competitors still get the points.
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That's why I stated I wasn't sure about the upper limits on class C, as you might read in my above post Really though, that is only one more 12 than Street 3-4 anyways, and there are several competitors who have 4 12s in CRXs, so I'm not so sure that is too crazy after all. Maybe lower the limit so only 4 12s instead of 5 can compete in that class???
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quote:Originally posted by Rybaudio: That's why I stated I wasn't sure about the upper limits on class C, as you might read in my above post Really though, that is only one more 12 than Street 3-4 anyways, and there are several competitors who have 4 12s in CRXs, so I'm not so sure that is too crazy after all. Maybe lower the limit so only 4 12s instead of 5 can compete in that class???
Sorry....i was just stating that there are not that many instals that wopuld falll into that area..99.9% that would have other things that would put them in SS......also as Wayne has stated....there is a max of 12 total classes...so adding alot of different classes is out of the question...the combinding of EX 9-12 and 13+ with the addition of EX 1 and alowing single 15s and 18s in Street 1-2 is the best over all way to go.......just my $.02
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What about this for street. Street 1-2 12" max 1 amp max Street 3-4 12" max 2 amp max Street Large(I can't think of a name 2 subs 15s and 18s allowed 2 amps.
Street is the most popular and while it may make competitions longer it will also make the organization more money and allow more to get involved and thats whats more important right? Super Street is very indimidating to most and most don't want to build an extreme so this would make more sense to me to allow more people to get involved. Notice the trend of less competitors as the classes go up. Its because of price of course. What do you guys think.
quote:Originally posted by orphan440: What about this for street. Street 1-2 12" max 1 amp max Street 3-4 12" max 2 amp max Street Large(I can't think of a name 2 subs 15s and 18s allowed 2 amps.
Street is the most popular and while it may make competitions longer it will also make the organization more money and allow more to get involved and thats whats more important right? Super Street is very indimidating to most and most don't want to build an extreme so this would make more sense to me to allow more people involved. Notice the trend of less competitors as the classes go up. Its because of price of course. What do you guys think.
This is also why i suggest alowing a single 15/18 to be used in street 1-2....yes street is the most popular class but this alone would add at least 25% more competitors at every comp in street 1-2....you know all those who ge wrongly bumped up because they have a street install with one 15....
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quote:Originally posted by PHILESTER: In my opinion we need a slightly slightly bigger street class. The slightly larger street class would be like SS 1-2 No wall lite. here is what I propose:
-no commercial vehicals -no quad coils -freq limited to 60 Hz -No walls in any street class -No 18's in any street class -15's ARE LEGAL (IMO it is a streetable sub)-very true thats what im using in my daily..... -All 12 volt systems -stock Alts-why stock????/ -NO cargo vans (people shouldnt street a cargo van) -passenger vans can have enclosure directly behind the door jambs in STREET C ONLY -NO cut throughs for trucks (destroying a car is not street) -1/8" max sound deadener -stock interior-yesssss -MAY remove seats in street C
(street 1-2 equiv) Street A (0-235)-one amp with one mono output or one bridged output with one power supply (in other words no 4 KW's)-one battery stock loc. 3-10's 2-12's 1-15
(street 3-4 equiv) Street B (236-471)-two amps with one mono output or one bridged output per amp with one power supply per amp(in other words no 4 KW's)-3 batteries total 6-10's 4-12's 2-15's
(SS NW lite equiv) Street C (472-708)-four amps with one mono output or one bridged output per amp with one power supply per amp(in other words no 4 KW's)-5 batteries total 8-10's 6-12's 4-15's
I think that the street C class would be really interesting, and I know that there are alot of people out there who would love a large multiple sub street class.
Phil LEster
im liking most of what was said here, im looking to start into the drags this year and i like 15s lol so....
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Street A (old 1-2) As is, except 2 channels of amplification and allow 1 15
Street B (old 3-4) As is, except 4 channels of amplification allow 2 15's
Pro Street Since so many "prior" street competitors want to stick around let them play in pro street, use 1-4 subs (only 2 15's) and 4 channels of amplification, allow one extra battery and one upgraded stock alternator. Otherwise keep the same street rules
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I love the idea of a one sub class, i also think it would be a great step if there was a super street nw1, the reason being is that street competitors could move up gradually,thus making it more likely that the sport would grow.I would also love to see a one sub class in extreme.I know that people want to leave super street alone, but for people to move up in the sport they need an affordable class to move into.I think this would end ,at least some,of the cars in street from being ran year, after year.I ran street 3-4 this past season,with the intension of having to move up,i just think it would be nice to have a class that most people cold afford.My idea would be, 1 sub,any size,but only dvc.Any power you can get, which should only be max 4 amps.Any amount of batts.Just an idea,but i believe a good one for the sport.
Street 1-2 Same as 2002 but allow 1 15 or 1 18 **I love that idea** Street 3-4 Same as 2002. Street Open see idea at end of post Super Street 1-2NW Super Street 1-2 Super Street 3-4 Super Street 5-8 Super Street 9+
Extreme 1-2 Extreme 3-4 Extreme 5-8 Extreme 9+
Street Open- Kinda like a mix between Street 1-2/3-4 and Super Street 1-2NW.... allow some mods you would see in Super Street like cut-throughs, up to 4 amps, beefed up alts, and up to 4 batteries. Only alow 8 8s, 4 10s, 2 12s, 1 15 or 1 18. I know this would need some fine tuning to make it work. This would give the guy with a cut through in a truck somewhat of a chance to compete fairly.... oh yeah, no mazda trucks allowed j/k
Well there is my idea on the classes. Luin
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quote:Originally posted by ea1: I I do propose the combining of classes be allowed at ALL shows except finals....
IE Double points can have just 1 open extreme class, and Triples can have just 2 extreme classes (like 1-4, and 4+), due to the lack of participation from extreme cars at the majority of multipointers (its too expensive to get extra points for most of us, so we stop at 100 )
That would be just GREAT. That would work very nicely also internationally, perhaps especially internationally as we have slightly smaller countries than US
For me it looks very stupid to have a so-called competition when there is no competition... like nobody to compete with if you are in a certain Extreme class. And as we all know, the results are very very close no matter how many woofers you have.
Oh, and the Extreme 1 class is something that everybody (99%?) wants. Competitors, industry...
Also note, that in Europe we have VERY FEW big extreme cars, it is like the BS Bus and then... mmmm, who ? So we really don't have much use for big extreme classes as everybody is in 1-2 and 3-4. Hell there wasn't even Extreme 5-8 class in EUROFINALS as there wasn't anyone to compete in that, and 13+ was only for BS Bus. I know you have more bigger cars in US, but just wanted to let you know how the rest of the world goes around and hoping some of the rule changes/adjustements would work for us too. Thanks.
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