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Changes to the Standard Classes have a dramatic impact on dB Drag Racing competitors. It is the intent of the dBDRA to minimize changes to the Standard Classes whenever possible. For 2003, the dBDRA proposes that the Street Division classes be changed from # of woofer classes to cone area classes. We would also like to add a 3rd Street Division class. No changes are proposed for the Super Street Division (including Super Street 1-2 NW). For the Extreme Division, we would like to see the Extreme 9-12 and Extreme 13+ classes combined into a single Extreme 9+ class.
Street Division
Street 1-2 becomes Street A
Street 3-4 becomes Street B
Create a new class called Street C
Super Street Division
No Changes
Extreme Division
Extreme 1-2
Extreme 3-4
Extreme 5-8
Extreme 9+ (Combine 9-12 and 13+)
Please post your suggestions for a cone area breakdown for the 3 Street Division classes. Also, please include your reasoning in your post.
[ 11-10-2002, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Wayne Harris ]
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Heres my thoughts: Street A 0-160 1 amp 1 battery Street B 161-360 1 amp 1 battery Street C 361+ 2 amps 2 battery All other street rules still apply
I think it would be cool to have a class that at most could have 2 10s or 1 12. This would also be a very affordable class for anyone. Street C could produce some very big numbers, yet not cost as much as moving up to Superstreet. Overall I think that cone area is a great idea!
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Like this would keep street classes B&C as close to the 1-2 3-4 setup and just allow a new class A for cars with smaller woofers or single 12 in woofers to not be killed by the "normal" street setups.
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thats a good point, i never thought about that
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Like this would keep street classes B&C as close to the 1-2 3-4 setup and just allow a new class A for cars with smaller woofers or single 12 in woofers to not be killed by the "normal" street setups.
I like this Idea I was about to say the same thing but you beat me to it
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If we switch to cone area for these classes, then any size woofer may be used as long as the total cone area of the woofers fall withing the limits for the class. For example, take a look at the following...
0-254 sq in two 12's or one 15 or one 18
255-508 sq in four 12's or two 15's or two 18's
Etc.
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I know it wasn't brought up, but I strongly believe that we should implement a very limited extreme class to encourage competitors to make the leap into Extreme from SS.
I feel that extreme tests the installation ability of the competitor to the max, due to the fact that every panel in the vehicle serves a purpose, and can be modified as such.
I am personally for a 1 sub extreme class, but could agree with any type of limit so that more people would feel they have a chance to compete in the extreme division.
I would imagine it would be, by far, the most popular Extreme class, with numbers approaching 175db, without the need for a 10k+ investment.
What do you all think?
I truly hope this idea gets some attention, as I believe it could do nothing but IMPROVE the DBDRA, and widen its competitor base.
PS: As for the street classes, I would vote for the smallest street class to have a limit which would allow only 1 sub also, unless it would be 2 8s or maybe 2 10s also.
quote:Originally posted by ea1: I know it wasn't brought up, but I strongly believe that we should implement a very limited extreme class to encourage competitors to make the leap into Extreme from SS.
I feel that extreme tests the installation ability of the competitor to the max, due to the fact that every panel in the vehicle serves a purpose, and can be modified as such.
I am personally for a 1 sub extreme class, but could agree with any type of limit so that more people would feel they have a chance to compete in the extreme division.
I would imagine it would be, by far, the most popular Extreme class, with numbers approaching 175db, without the need for a 10k+ investment.
What do you all think?
I truly hope this idea gets some attention, as I believe it could do nothing but IMPROVE the DBDRA, and widen its competitor base.
PS: As for the street classes, I would vote for the smallest street class to have a limit which would allow only 1 sub also, unless it would be 2 8s or maybe 2 10s also.
nathan i like this idea
it could be something like this Consumer extreme 1 woofer then have the regular extreme classes from there on out...
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In my opinion we need a slightly slightly bigger street class. The slightly larger street class would be like SS 1-2 No wall lite. here is what I propose:
-no commercial vehicals -no quad coils -freq limited to 60 Hz -No walls in any street class -No 18's in any street class -15's ARE LEGAL (IMO it is a streetable sub) -All 12 volt systems -stock Alts -NO cargo vans (people shouldnt street a cargo van) -passenger vans can have enclosure directly behind the door jambs in STREET C ONLY -NO cut throughs for trucks (destroying a car is not street) -1/8" max sound deadener -stock interior -MAY remove seats in street C
(street 1-2 equiv) Street A (0-235)-one amp with one mono output or one bridged output with one power supply (in other words no 4 KW's)-one battery stock loc. 3-10's 2-12's 1-15
(street 3-4 equiv) Street B (236-471)-two amps with one mono output or one bridged output per amp with one power supply per amp(in other words no 4 KW's)-3 batteries total 6-10's 4-12's 2-15's
(SS NW lite equiv) Street C (472-708)-four amps with one mono output or one bridged output per amp with one power supply per amp(in other words no 4 KW's)-5 batteries total 8-10's 6-12's 4-15's
I think that the street C class would be really interesting, and I know that there are alot of people out there who would love a large multiple sub street class.
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I think whatever classes we have, they should be very easy to determine, and should follow the same basic rules of every other class, IE, same freq limits, etc.
Most promoters want a show that is simple to put on. Making it difficult to determine classification would be bad.
In the street classes, I say street A should have a sq inch limit that cuts off right above 1 15. Street B should be right above 2 15s(current street 1-2 replacement), and street C should be more inches, and allow 2 amps and 2 batteries.
heres another shameless plug for Extreme 1
You could not BELIEVE the amount of manufacturer interest there has been with my car. I have had ALOT of companies wanting to sponsor my car. Not because it is special, but because they feel an extreme 1 sub class would be a perfect marketing tool for their product. This class would not only make Competitors more likely to come to extreme, but would be perfect to promote the SPL industry. Simple isn't it
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The only changes that i think should go are the combination of EX 9-12 and 13+ and the addition of Street 1 sub, SS 1 sub, and eX 1 sub....an alow 15s in the street 1 sub class...
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the best way to equalize teh power and make 4kw's have no advantage is to limit batteries not numbers of amps...if all street classes had unlimited numbers of amps but only one battery that must be in factory location then basically you equalize teh 4kw advantage. OR you could limit the number of channels rather then teh number of amps so basically you could run 2 D2's (since each has 2 channels in reality), 4 1000D's (siunce they are monoblocks) or one 4KW (since they are 4 channel)...or you could outlaw 4 channels all together and make a 2 channel max so you could use a 2 channel amp or 2 true monoblock amps... I personally don't see a reason why vans can't have boxes to the front of the car...CRX's have no rear seats and can have their box all the way forward...I can take the seats out of my van so why can't I have my box all the way forward...I think that the behind the rear door jamb rule was to make it so vans didn't have an advantage but the truth is that they never did...it wasn't the fact that vans had boxes at the fron tof the car that made tehm loud it was the fact that the people had a really good install... I agree cargovans aren't exactly street so keeping them out is all good.
so basically. 1) do cone area classes 2) limit number of batteries not number of amps 3) allow vans to have the box wherever they want because it only equilizes teh hatchback advantage and doesn't actually give the van any advantage over every other car...just makes it more fair
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i like nates idea of 1 sub for extreme class.
as for street. well its hard. i have seen 2 10s beat the snot outta 2 12s. i like the classes but would say msrp limit the classes along with power limits. 2000w/$1000msrp(s1-2) 4000w/$2000msrp (S3-4 using 12s or 2 15s) maybe creat a 3rd class of multi subs. like 5-8 12s or 4 15s)5000w/$2500msrp reason for that is i dont know anyone who has that much in amps in street class. but it limits possiblity of those serious money winners from taking it away from real people who cant afford $6k + amps. i mean for a trophy that is too much, it isnt worth it.
absolutely no 18s. some suggestions would basicly make some street cars able to fit in with SS classes.
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i think quad coils should be allowed in street. say someone wants to get into dbdrag. they would most likely want to start off in street because its their first time but what if they want a sub like the xxx that only comes in quad coil? or maybe they are on a budget now so they want a quad coil sub to keep for awhile and have room to add more power in the future? make quad coils legal but also make it so that you have to have stock alt and single battery in stock location.
i also think a single sub class in street, ss, and extreme would be fun and would put more focus on install.
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Something that I just thought of that we might want to consider, if a limit on cone area comes into play. What about non-round subs? Like the Kicker L7 and L5, or the Xtant hexagon subs. They are still considered a 10 or a 12, but they would fall above most of the limits mentioned.
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