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"On to the point that I have the most trouble with in the new rules. I dont know if you guys realize it, but the 2 sq foot over the console rule is going to turn extreme into a joke like USACi's port wars contests. With only 2 foot needed over the console, cars will look STUPID, and I for one will lose some respect for the extreme cars scores due to this rediculously small measurement allowance. I am NOT saying to make it like my car is, I am saying Make my car ILLEGAL too. The original rules said 4 sq ft, which would mean a rebuild for me( Im at 3 foot), but I would do it to make my car look more like a car, and not a passenger side box with a 288 inch port."
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wayne,think about this,here in europe not all cars have a 5000cc engine and an alt that is huge,most cars here are between 1000cc and 2000cc max,we need al the power we can get and that includes running the engine,man theire are more competitors then AMERICAN competitors,quit thinking four your own people alone,damn,you would allow 4 amps in street butt the engine can't turn,whats next we can't charge the batteries or what,damned you are taking this too far ,you can't do this man,
ok al you guys whit the big engines(alts)must think this is great so the guys whit lesser alts will lose some of theire score 1amp=1batterie 2amps=2bateries 3/4amps =we need that engine runing for chure
act normal and do not only look at youre own people
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EXTREME 2 sq. ft. thing : I also like to see a answer to that . i am glad i am not alone with this 2 sq. ft. Please : a answer to this if possible .
Christof.
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quote:Originally posted by Rip Rock: "On to the point that I have the most trouble with in the new rules. I dont know if you guys realize it, but the 2 sq foot over the console rule is going to turn extreme into a joke like USACi's port wars contests. With only 2 foot needed over the console, cars will look STUPID, and I for one will lose some respect for the extreme cars scores due to this rediculously small measurement allowance. I am NOT saying to make it like my car is, I am saying Make my car ILLEGAL too. The original rules said 4 sq ft, which would mean a rebuild for me( Im at 3 foot), but I would do it to make my car look more like a car, and not a passenger side box with a 288 inch port."
Very good point Nathan!!!
Wayne please concider 3 square feet!!!!
one thing to look at....the Undergrounds van does 175s with much more than 4' of area...more like 5'+....the console may make for a smaller cabin but it also would ristrict airflow.....can hurt you as much as help you....
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quote:Originally posted by 206dbdragger: wayne,think about this,here in europe not all cars have a 5000cc engine and an alt that is huge,most cars here are between 1000cc and 2000cc max,we need al the power we can get and that includes running the engine,man theire are more competitors then AMERICAN competitors,quit thinking four your own people alone,damn,you would allow 4 amps in street butt the engine can't turn,whats next we can't charge the batteries or what,damned you are taking this too far ,you can't do this man,
ok al you guys whit the big engines(alts)must think this is great so the guys whit lesser alts will lose some of theire score 1amp=1batterie 2amps=2bateries 3/4amps =we need that engine runing for chure
act normal and do not only look at youre own people
This would not be a problem if wayne would have just taken care of the 4kwt and other monster amps with a simle list of some sort......instead of making a ruling that would upset the few people that have them...he is making a rule that upsets 3/4 of the other street class people.....i for one can not afford to buy another 2kwt amp till at least mid season for street B...but now i need 3 more to compete....
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: one thing to look at....the Undergrounds van does 175s with much more than 4' of area...more like 5'+....the console may make for a smaller cabin but it also would ristrict airflow.....can hurt you as much as help you....
Thats completely truth . But so small area s are a advantage in small cars for extreme 1 (earlyer 1-2) , thats for sure . And think about it , if the distance is 4 ft. between windschield and box , you need only 1/2 ft. in hight .... that aint much . And it looks completely silly . Nobody will doubt that the cabine isnt in 2 pieces then .....
quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: This would not be a problem if wayne would have just taken care of the 4kwt and other monster amps with a simle list of some sort......instead of making a ruling that would upset the few people that have them...he is making a rule that upsets 3/4 of the other street class people.....i for one can not afford to buy another 2kwt amp till at least mid season for street B...but now i need 3 more to compete....
I agree, I too will not be able to afford another amp, ANY time this season......just goes to show you that he is out to please the "veterans" of dBdrag, and not thinking about the future
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: one thing to look at....the Undergrounds van does 175s with much more than 4' of area...more like 5'+....the console may make for a smaller cabin but it also would ristrict airflow.....can hurt you as much as help you....
Thats completely truth . But so small area s are a advantage in small cars for extreme 1 (earlyer 1-2) , thats for sure . And think about it , if the distance is 4 ft. between windschield and box , you need only 1/2 ft. in hight .... that aint much . And it looks completely silly . Nobody will doubt that the cabine isnt in 2 pieces then .....
..but have you ever seen a car with a dash 6" from the roof??
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quote:Originally posted by 206dbdragger: wayne,think about this,here in europe not all cars have a 5000cc engine and an alt that is huge,most cars here are between 1000cc and 2000cc max,we need al the power we can get and that includes running the engine,man theire are more competitors then AMERICAN competitors,quit thinking four your own people alone,damn,you would allow 4 amps in street butt the engine can't turn,whats next we can't charge the batteries or what,damned you are taking this too far ,you can't do this man,
ok al you guys whit the big engines(alts)must think this is great so the guys whit lesser alts will lose some of theire score 1amp=1batterie 2amps=2bateries 3/4amps =we need that engine runing for chure
act normal and do not only look at youre own people
This would not be a problem if wayne would have just taken care of the 4kwt and other monster amps with a simle list of some sort......instead of making a ruling that would upset the few people that have them...he is making a rule that upsets 3/4 of the other street class people.....i for one can not afford to buy another 2kwt amp till at least mid season for street B...but now i need 3 more to compete....
i guess the market must make more profit,do not make a rule so street can't turne on the engine,thats sick man,its NOT ONLY AMERICANS WHO PLAY DB DRAG YOU KNOW
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quote:Originally posted by Ghost man: one thing to look at....the Undergrounds van does 175s with much more than 4' of area...more like 5'+....the console may make for a smaller cabin but it also would ristrict airflow.....can hurt you as much as help you....
Thats completely truth . But so small area s are a advantage in small cars for extreme 1 (earlyer 1-2) , thats for sure . And think about it , if the distance is 4 ft. between windschield and box , you need only 1/2 ft. in hight .... that aint much . And it looks completely silly . Nobody will doubt that the cabine isnt in 2 pieces then .....
..but have you ever seen a car with a dash 6" from the roof??
NO , i heavend , they are making the dash at a level that is resonable , and lowering the roof or a piece to do the rest , they are many ways to do it , if this 2 sq. ft. stays , wait and see ... And the eyebrown rule isnt a difficult thing to make ok when it is that far . I have nothing against this rule , but i like to see extreme cars stay as a extreme car .
quote:Originally posted by 206dbdragger: wayne,think about this,here in europe not all cars have a 5000cc engine and an alt that is huge,most cars here are between 1000cc and 2000cc max,we need al the power we can get and that includes running the engine,man theire are more competitors then AMERICAN competitors,quit thinking four your own people alone,damn,you would allow 4 amps in street butt the engine can't turn,whats next we can't charge the batteries or what,damned you are taking this too far ,you can't do this man,
ok al you guys whit the big engines(alts)must think this is great so the guys whit lesser alts will lose some of theire score 1amp=1batterie 2amps=2bateries 3/4amps =we need that engine runing for chure
act normal and do not only look at youre own people
This would not be a problem if wayne would have just taken care of the 4kwt and other monster amps with a simle list of some sort......instead of making a ruling that would upset the few people that have them...he is making a rule that upsets 3/4 of the other street class people.....i for one can not afford to buy another 2kwt amp till at least mid season for street B...but now i need 3 more to compete....
i guess the market must make more profit,do not make a rule so street can't turne on the engine,thats sick man,its NOT ONLY AMERICANS WHO PLAY DB DRAG YOU KNOW
The problem falls in the fact that unless you make a truck class, sedan class, SUV class, van class, sports car class...ext....you will never make all fair from car to car.........
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that is not the point,my point isz that wayne is not looking at what happens in other countries,here you will not find street cars who have a 5000cc and so a big alt,respect other countries also
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quote:Originally posted by 206dbdragger: that is not the point,my point isz that wayne is not looking at what happens in other countries,here you will not find street cars who have a 5000cc and so a big alt,respect other countries also
How many liters is that?? anyhow even over hear a large alt for a car is 90 to 105amps stock....the big alts come from the SUVs and trucks...they have a 105amp as a minimum and i have seen up to a 185amp stock with a towing package....
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what i wanna say is that running the engine at 2000rpm is necesary for streetclass the most,we are limited in batteries so we need al the power we can get
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Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't cars being off help smaller cars with small alternators catch ones with big alternators or is this such a problem because now you guys can't beef up the electrical systems and run your voltage at close to 18 volts alts are never checked, I believe people cheat, this is the best way to make sure with the lowest amount of trouble. It will also level power levels amps can produce. No caps no extra batteries, Wayne comes up with the good ideas and there are only about 5 people that complain about them because they got their loop hole shut.
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Damn guys, quit whining about the rules. I like the two amp Street A idea. It's the most fair yet. I also like an engine off, two battery idea. That also sounds fair.
I agree we need to give ideas, but damn, some of you guys are crying about the same friggin thing over and over and over.
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What about limiting RPM to 1300 on SUV's, Trucks, and vans?? Maybe even wording it like this "RPM will be limited to 2000 RPM for passenger cars, and any Trucks, SUV's, and vans will be limited to 1300 RPMs"
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't cars being off help smaller cars with small alternators catch ones with big alternators or is this such a problem because now you guys can't beef up the electrical systems and run your voltage at close to 18 volts alts are never checked, I believe people cheat, this is the best way to make sure with the lowest amount of trouble. It will also level power levels amps can produce. No caps no extra batteries, Wayne comes up with the good ideas and there are only about 5 people that complain about them because they got their loop hole shut.
i am not a sweed or fin if thats what you wanne say so what you wanna say is that your car is louder when the engine is turnd off or what,all teh cars i know over here in belgium go louder whit the engine on,and we do not beef up oure alts
seems like when its not good comment you can't give comment here
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i think it is necesarry that carengines run 2000rphm and cars whit heavy engine's somenthing like 1300
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theire aren't competin suv's etc over here,so it is a problem where you guys in america should find a solution for,butt don't punnish everyone ,ok
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't cars being off help smaller cars with small alternators catch ones with big alternators or is this such a problem because now you guys can't beef up the electrical systems and run your voltage at close to 18 volts alts are never checked, I believe people cheat, this is the best way to make sure with the lowest amount of trouble. It will also level power levels amps can produce. No caps no extra batteries, Wayne comes up with the good ideas and there are only about 5 people that complain about them because they got their loop hole shut.
i am not a sweed or fin if thats what you wanne say so what you wanna say is that your car is louder when the engine is turnd off or what,all teh cars i know over here in belgium go louder whit the engine on,and we do not beef up oure alts seems like when its not good comment you can't give comment here
No, your wrong. My car is louder with the engine on just like everyone elses. The point is I have never seen them check someones alt (except at one dbl point show I went to this year where a first time judge seemed determined to get me disqualified so me and my guy had a little fun with him ) including finals so why have rules outlawing things that have never been checked. Also if you own a small car this will HELP YOU MAN so why are you against it. others will lose more than you if your alt is legit and I don't think you understand that. This is why it kind of sounds like you are doing something fishy, why would you not want to be helped. THIS WILL HELP YOU, maybe not your score but overall others will be farther down than you and it will stop all cheating going on.
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quote:Originally posted by 206dbdragger: theire aren't competin suv's etc over here,so it is a problem where you guys in america should find a solution for,butt don't punnish everyone ,ok
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