quote:Originally posted by ea1: I think we all need to sit back and take a deep breath.
On to the point that I have the most trouble with in the new rules. I dont know if you guys realize it, but the 2 sq foot over the console rule is going to turn extreme into a joke like USACi's port wars contests. With only 2 foot needed over the console, cars will look STUPID, and I for one will lose some respect for the extreme cars scores due to this rediculously small measurement allowance. I am NOT saying to make it like my car is, I am saying Make my car ILLEGAL too. The original rules said 4 sq ft, which would mean a rebuild for me( Im at 3 foot), but I would do it to make my car look more like a car, and not a passenger side box with a 288 inch port.
The only people who are in favor of 2 sq ft are the europeans, I would bet because they are already pushing the limits that far.
I chear the same opinion , 2 sq. ft. is not enouf !! Then a extreme car isnt looking anymore like a car .
quote:Originally posted by stany: I chear the same opinion , 2 sq. ft. is not enouf !! Then a extreme car isnt looking anymore like a car .
PLEASE MAKE IT BIGGER!!!!!
Its much better for the sport !!
And if we need to rebuild , so be it !
Keep things real and full of fun !
Greets , Christof . ( from Belgium - Europe ! )
I think this new rule additions is easy to understand and judge. Don't change they anymore
" · Build-downs that impede the contestant’s view will be considered an obstruction, even if the material being used is transparent in nature.
· The dBDRA considers any roof build-down that extends to a point below the contestant’s eyebrows an obstruction.
· A minimum unobstructed area of at least 2 square feet (0.1858m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle. This unobstructed area should be envisioned as an imaginary “window” that separates the two sides of the vehicle. In addition, the unobstructed area may not consist of more than two individual openings. Only openings that are located higher than the dash will be used to determine compliance with this rule. "
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I can give you EASY multi ways to make it within the rules !!! ( but i dont like it ) When you look then to that car : sorry , for me , that is really a seperate box at the passanger side . 2 sq. ft. , i see it already happen in my mind ...
Its like Nathan sayed , and it is allready like this !!! Many people saying now : there s nothing to proof anymory in the extreme class , and i agree : with seperating the cabine in 2 parts , with such a small opening , no "reality" score .
Change the name of extreme class then in : "supermodified box" .
Is it so difficult to proof yourself with bigger "opening" ? Team Loud Timangi can do it .(red Toyota)
Christof.
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I can't see how 2sq.ft is not enough? You still can't build a huge roof build-down wich would "eat" too much space. You can not build too big console, because you have to rise you dashboard level and transparent area of the front window would reduce...
Mayby the biggest problem is with Vans; you can have more transparent area of the frontwindow and it easy to make high consoles and you can have bigger roof build-downs also...
I can't see the scenario wich Nate refered to. I have seen few car with less than 3 sq.ft of above the center console and they did't look bad at all. I hope that this rule will not be chanced again.
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Please reconsider street rule... two amps... nonsense. Don't protect few others taht have 4kW's, protect all others!!
4kW's will be 4kW's and all other will have to buy anpther amp!!! (i say that is working in the interests of rich guys)
Make it one Amplifier! two non-bridged channels or one bridged!!!
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quote:Originally posted by stany: I can give you EASY multi ways to make it within the rules !!! ( but i dont like it ) When you look then to that car : sorry , for me , that is really a seperate box at the passanger side . 2 sq. ft. , i see it already happen in my mind ...
Its like Nathan sayed , and it is allready like this !!! Many people saying now : there s nothing to proof anymory in the extreme class , and i agree : with seperating the cabine in 2 parts , with such a small opening , no "reality" score .
Change the name of extreme class then in : "supermodified box" .
Is it so difficult to proof yourself with bigger "opening" ? Team Loud Timangi can do it .(red Toyota)
Christof.
Don't know if Marko has in his car (Timagi) 4sq.ft above the console, because the front of the car is so short... and with this kind of cars too big area rule would make pretty hard to build even somekinde of console
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Commercial “options packages” such as high-output alternators are also prohibited.
---This is not fair. This is unenforcable. This needs to be changed. The idea to limit it to OEM options is fair and manageable. Please be sure to note that "dealer option" does not necessarily mean "OEM option" as many dealerships will add aftermarket components onto any vehicle to increase their bottom line!
---The idea to run Street cars w/ the engine off is excellent and will prevent A TON of potential problems.
NOTE: People will NOT run their battery dead in the lane, unless is was almost dead when they entered the lane. Street cars are easy to push
Otherwise, they ARE EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!
A job VERY well done.
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quote:Originally posted by stany: I am almost sure that the Timangi has enouf "space" above the console . And , that isnt looks like you make a wall in the cabine .
But thats propably the bigges possible console if you want to have 4sq.ft in that kind of car
quote: · Street B – A maximum of 4 subwoofer amplifiers may be used. Total subwoofer amplification is limited to a maximum of 8 “non-bridged” output channels or 4 “bridged” output channels.
o 3 to 4 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller
o OR a pair of woofers that are larger than 12 inches in diameter but no larger than 15-inches in diameter
o OR a single 18 inch woofer
o Maximum of 2 subwoofer amplifiers
It should read "Or a Single subwoofer that is larger than 15 inches but not larger than 18 inches."
I believe Image Dynamics stated their next IDmax was going to be a 16", and the rule as drafted would cause a problem if a manufacturer released a sub between 15 and 18 inches (as drafted a 16" subwoofer would not be allowed in Street). Also, this would make the rules consistent in their language (the use of "larger than" and "not larger than").
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Nate, good call on running the car while turned off. I like the idea of that myself. Definitely levels the playing field.
Here is the one that I am still ahving a problem with though. I have mentioned it briefly in a couple other posts and even emaileed Wayne and never got any feedback at all about it.
quote:3-8d If the vehicle is an extended-cab or king-cab pick-up truck, then the “normal use” restriction for “jump seats” that are located behind the front seat of the pick-up is waived.
Additional Guidelines:
This waiver only applies to pick-ups that have “jump seats” located behind the front seat. The dBDRA defines a “jump seat” as an OEM seat that was designed to be folded up against the side or back of the pickup’s passenger compartment.
Jump Seats may not be removed from the pick-up, but they may be folded in order to accommodate the sound system.
Why is it that a small S-10 type truck can have an 8^3 box that can take up the whole ext. cab (below the window line of course) but a Full size F-150 can only have a 3^3 box that can only go under the seat?
The smaller trucks have "jump seats" and they can be folded into the truck wall to accomodate the enclosure. A full size truck generally has a bench for a rear seat and the only option for street class competitors with a rear bench in the truck is to put the enclosure underneath the seat. Even though the enclosure is under the seat this still may leave the seat "un-operational" as per manufacture design. I mean, if the seat was designed to fold down flat and the enclosure prevents it from doing so, then it is considered Super Street.
This is just in comparison with an S-10 and a F-150. This is not even taking Explorer's, Tahoe's, or Suburban's into consideration. Basically a full size extended cab truck (not a 4 door) is beat before he ever drives into the lanes in street class.
My Proposal of the rule is a couple of options. My first and best option would be to level the playing field by allowing an extended cab truck remmove the rear seat and remain in Street Class, so long as there are no other rules broken.
The second way of leveling the playing field for extended cab trucks is to delete the waiver for the jump seats. Jump seats may not be folded or removed to accomodate the enclosure, and must prove to be functional.
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Oh yes I was going to comment on something else too. A diesel truck off the showroom comes with 2 batteries. Is this truck automatically disqualified from Street A, does he have to disconnect 1 battery, how does that work?
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If this is true, then why was I offered it when I got my Tahoe? Good thing I declined huh? BTW what is Wayne Going to do to police this?
Declined? In the next quote you state you have a 200+ amp alt stock???? I see now why you are so vocal about this. Nice try there.
quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: or a Tahoe such as mine that was bought with a "Police package" that has a 200+ amp Alt?? Now you have the amps that it will require to push this vast amount of power. Just a thought...........
Your 200+ amp alt is a clear advantage and represents what Wayne is trying to stop with the new rules. OEM or not, 200 amp alts should not be allowed in Street.
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Ok well, First i am sad to see it took this long to get street straigh....second i am sad/mad that I just spent about $1800 to go get a 4kw last month. Also if i run the 4kw i am breaking a rule... Equipment must be available for purchase through legitimate auto sound retailers. For clarification purposes, the dBDRA defines a legitimate retailer as any business that is legally licensed to conduct auto sound related transactions, operates a retail establishment that is open for business at least 40 hours per week, and is factory authorized dealer for the equipment in question. Cause the store I buy my stuff at isnt a zapco dealer and i bought the amp used. So all of us who have used 4kw's if we dont have recepit from a certifed dealer we are breaking the rules. And the way the rules where, if i didnt have 4kw i would be screwed. So now I am breaking a rule and also spend to much money to break the rule. But I guess when it rain's it pours....lol
quote:Originally posted by bayvanman: I agree with everything EXCEPT the Street rules... It's nice to price people out...
I still do not understand some people's reasoning here. To be competitive at finals in the last two years a person needed a 4KW. A 4KW costs $2000 and up. Under the new rules, a person with two, $325 each, used D2's could be very competitive with the 4KW. Please explain the logic behind your statement?
Wayne, most of us appreciate you leveling the playing field!!
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quote:Originally posted by Andy Jones: From a purely drafting standpoint:
quote: · Street B – A maximum of 4 subwoofer amplifiers may be used. Total subwoofer amplification is limited to a maximum of 8 “non-bridged” output channels or 4 “bridged” output channels.
o 3 to 4 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller
o OR a pair of woofers that are larger than 12 inches in diameter but no larger than 15-inches in diameter
o OR a single 18 inch woofer
o Maximum of 2 subwoofer amplifiers
It should read "Or a Single subwoofer that is larger than 15 inches but not larger than 18 inches."
I believe Image Dynamics stated their next IDmax was going to be a 16", and the rule as drafted would cause a problem if a manufacturer released a sub between 15 and 18 inches (as drafted a 16" subwoofer would not be allowed in Street). Also, this would make the rules consistent in their language (the use of "larger than" and "not larger than").
Andy
Good call. I will address this.
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If this is true, then why was I offered it when I got my Tahoe? Good thing I declined huh? BTW what is Wayne Going to do to police this?
Declined? In the next quote you state you have a 200+ amp alt stock???? I see now why you are so vocal about this. Nice try there.
quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: or a Tahoe such as mine that was bought with a "Police package" that has a 200+ amp Alt?? Now you have the amps that it will require to push this vast amount of power. Just a thought...........
Your 200+ amp alt is a clear advantage and represents what Wayne is trying to stop with the new rules. OEM or not, 200 amp alts should not be allowed in Street.
He does not have a 200 amp alt. He was stating that it was offered to him to get a 200 amp alt with the police package. That would still be oem....
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