I think that I have said too much....................I must go now................the SPL Ninja's are upon me Need more power? UP YOURS!! with Excessive Amperage! Posts: 6070 | From: Northern California | Registered: Nov 1999
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I agree with everything EXCEPT the Street rules... It's nice to price people out...
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I might be misunderstanding this but it says you arent allowing people to run option packages for vechicles such as high output alternators (even though it would still be OEM) but yet you will allow them to order a vehicles without a backseat in an extended cab truck? Why is it ok to go one way and not the other? If its ok to order a truck without something to give an advantage why is not ok to order a vehicle with something as long as it straight from the factory? Pardon if I read this wrong or missed something but I think it should be work the same for both ways. Either you can special order a vechicle and add or leave something out or you cant. Dont split it between the too. Hope this makes sense as Im not sure Im getting my point across clearly.
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2-2...does the crossing out of "even if the woofers in question are not operational" mean that we can put 8" mids in our doors as long as we can prove they are NOT hooked up?
2-5 add regs..that is needed, to keep people 200 amp stock alternators out of street...but, how could this be enforced..???
5-2...well, that might be the end of the 4KW... because there are quite a few pep's who have tried to just go buy one, at a local authurized dealer who couldn't do so....maybe the forced avalability of these amps will either even the field so that anyone can get one, or they won't be used at all...nice...
6-7a I am not sure what this was going for..but most amp have a few caps in there power source..there is no way to prove it or if not, with out opening up the amp...
6-7g This one should be fun to police as well..
over all I think it leaves a few things that need to be either removed or clarified..like how we can prove some one has a 200 amp commercial package(virtualy imposable), or if they turned up there voltage a little (limit street class voltage to 15.5 wuld help). As far as caps in amps, that should just ge stricken, because unless judjes are prepared to remove and open up amps...there is no real way to check, enforcer this.
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Yeah what kind of crap is that? "Commercial packages" (as Wayne calls it) not being allowed in street...........??? 1st off, last time I checked Police cars are not commercial vehicles, so then I guess the police package will be fine. like Nav said earlier, this is an OEM option, this is total BS, are you TRYING to run people out of street?
so now the judges don't just have to worry about how many and what size woofers, how many amps, what kind of amps, and the size of the box (tall), now they also have to watch the batteries and the alt output and that someone doesn't have what Wayne deems a "commercial" package on their car......HA HA HA, this ought to be REAL fun to watch, the inspection alone is going to take longer than the show.
and who determines what is and is not a commercial package, since I know for a fact my insurance company would not deem my Tahoe a commercial vehicle just because it has a police package on it, not to mention, what if next year Ford, Chevy and Dodge decide to sell their SUV's and trucks standard with a high output alt, and that high output alt equals the police package alt, does that mean it will then be okay, or will then you have to police whether or not the high output alt came as a police package, or did the car or truck come standard that way, or will you just then make rules so that Fords, Chevy's, and Dodges are no longer allowed in street?
This is Bull $&*# Wayne and you know it. Next your gonna make a rule that you can't add ANY options to your car, like we won't be able to get a car with leather seats.........what are you thinking?
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I think the rules are GREAT! Best I've ever seen. Talk about making things fair. Street Class has become the fairest it could get. The 4kw is no longer the dominate amp in street class. This allows competitors to up their power/bridge able channels and still spend less than a 4kw! Street Class is going to be fun to watch this year, especailly seeing what products ( amps ) people will be running.
Im sure manufactures, retailers and competitors will all agree 2003 will be the best yet!
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quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: Yeah what kind of crap is that? "Commercial packages" (as Wayne calls it) not being allowed in street...........??? 1st off, last time I checked Police cars are not commercial vehicles, so then I guess the police package will be fine. like Nav said earlier, this is an OEM option, this is total BS, are you TRYING to run people out of street?
so now the judges don't just have to worry about how many and what size woofers, how many amps, what kind of amps, and the size of the box (tall), now they also have to watch the batteries and the alt output and that someone doesn't have what Wayne deems a "commercial" package on their car......HA HA HA, this ought to be REAL fun to watch, the inspection alone is going to take longer than the show.
and who determines what is and is not a commercial package, since I know for a fact my insurance company would not deem my Tahoe a commercial vehicle just because it has a police package on it, not to mention, what if next year Ford, Chevy and Dodge decide to sell their SUV's and trucks standard with a high output alt, and that high output alt equals the police package alt, does that mean it will then be okay, or will then you have to police whether or not the high output alt came as a police package, or did the car or truck come standard that way, or will you just then make rules so that Fords, Chevy's, and Dodges are no longer allowed in street?
This is Bull $&*# Wayne and you know it. Next your gonna make a rule that you can't add ANY options to your car, like we won't be able to get a car with leather seats.........what are you thinking?
Give me a break. A police package cannot be found as a standard add on package to a non-commercial vehicle. PERIOD.
As far as ordering seating options or removing seating options? That's fine, this has gone on for many many years at your typical car dealership.
I have worked in, worked with and lived around car dealerships for a significant portion of my life. And the differences between a commercial vehicle and a consumer, street destined vehicle are quite different. Purchasing is different, liscensing is different as are many other ways of commercial vehicles.
People like this make me wonder. If you are such a high quality competitor then why not just play within the hand you've been delt?
Wah, wah, wah...all I hear is an obscene amount of crying and moaning about how Street is so expensive, or it's too tough to compete in street.
If you walk into a Las Vegas casino and see several options for gaming, what do they consist of?
Typically you'll find slot machines that vary from pocket change to play clear up to bills. Do you walk up to management and tell them it's bs because you really wanted to play craps and the minimum bet was $50? No, you just walk your poor butt over to the slot machines, or you find another table or casino.
This is what all the people crying need to do. If you don't like the rules then don't play. I'm sure Wayne enjoys each individual competitor, but he knows far better what is sound for his sanctioning body that has upwards of 20,000 members. This is the general heirarchy of dB Drag Racing
Organization (Wayne and Celise)
Manufacturors
Judges (Steve, Sam, David, Harsh and all the other excellent judges)
Retailers
Competitors
Right now the competitors aren't doing much of anything for anyone higher up in the food chain, they don't generally support retailers, they constanly question the integrity and knowledge of the judges, then they are unloyal to manufacturors and label companies as poor because they choose not to sponser them and then lastly people bash Wayne's effort on the rules, his constant development of the Termlab system and his dedication to the forum and Termpro community.
Wayne deserves nothing less than a huge thank you for all he does for the community and the attempts that he is making industry wide and for the home and identity he gives all the competitors.
Wayne, the rules seem pretty dang good to me, I miss the days when the rulebook was 1-2 pages and most everybody got along everywhere. Obviously change is inevitable, and you are going a great job in response. Thank you!
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Well I'm sure the manufactuers and the retailers will be VERY happy with the new rules, because now the street class has completely lost that "who can build the best system" appeal and has now come down to who can buy the biggest and best.
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quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: Yeah what kind of crap is that? "Commercial packages" (as Wayne calls it) not being allowed in street...........??? 1st off, last time I checked Police cars are not commercial vehicles, so then I guess the police package will be fine. like Nav said earlier, this is an OEM option, this is total BS, are you TRYING to run people out of street?
so now the judges don't just have to worry about how many and what size woofers, how many amps, what kind of amps, and the size of the box (tall), now they also have to watch the batteries and the alt output and that someone doesn't have what Wayne deems a "commercial" package on their car......HA HA HA, this ought to be REAL fun to watch, the inspection alone is going to take longer than the show.
and who determines what is and is not a commercial package, since I know for a fact my insurance company would not deem my Tahoe a commercial vehicle just because it has a police package on it, not to mention, what if next year Ford, Chevy and Dodge decide to sell their SUV's and trucks standard with a high output alt, and that high output alt equals the police package alt, does that mean it will then be okay, or will then you have to police whether or not the high output alt came as a police package, or did the car or truck come standard that way, or will you just then make rules so that Fords, Chevy's, and Dodges are no longer allowed in street?
This is Bull $&*# Wayne and you know it. Next your gonna make a rule that you can't add ANY options to your car, like we won't be able to get a car with leather seats.........what are you thinking?
Give me a break. A police package cannot be found as a standard add on package to a non-commercial vehicle. PERIOD.
If this is true, then why was I offered it when I got my Tahoe? Good thing I declined huh? BTW what is Wayne Going to do to police this? are you gonna link Term Lab up with DMV, or the auto manufacturers?
Oh I just thought of another loop hole.........a towing package.........what do you know........HMMMM, now people can get a towing package and be within the rules.........But I am sure there will be an addition to the ruled regarding this too, so it's a good thing that I didn't get that either.
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Also just another point, obviously there will always be troublemakers; however I think Wayne is counting on the integrity of the individuals and the network that competitors have to weed out anyone who is trying to circumvent a rule.
It is not solely up to the judges, they have the responsibility of organizing, judging, maintaining safety and promoting the retailer who is hosting the show. They will never be able to catch every little thing. I think our judges do a great job and I know they will make 2003 the best year yet!
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quote:Originally posted by jliehr: I miss the days when the rulebook was 1-2 pages and most everybody got along everywhere.
And now because of all the changes, trying to fix what is not broke, look what it has brought everyone too, name calling, Arguing, etc. Just release the rules already the season is going to be 1/2 over by the time they are released, hell Law makers don't even need 10 drafts...........
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quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: Yeah what kind of crap is that? "Commercial packages" (as Wayne calls it) not being allowed in street...........??? 1st off, last time I checked Police cars are not commercial vehicles, so then I guess the police package will be fine. like Nav said earlier, this is an OEM option, this is total BS, are you TRYING to run people out of street?
so now the judges don't just have to worry about how many and what size woofers, how many amps, what kind of amps, and the size of the box (tall), now they also have to watch the batteries and the alt output and that someone doesn't have what Wayne deems a "commercial" package on their car......HA HA HA, this ought to be REAL fun to watch, the inspection alone is going to take longer than the show.
and who determines what is and is not a commercial package, since I know for a fact my insurance company would not deem my Tahoe a commercial vehicle just because it has a police package on it, not to mention, what if next year Ford, Chevy and Dodge decide to sell their SUV's and trucks standard with a high output alt, and that high output alt equals the police package alt, does that mean it will then be okay, or will then you have to police whether or not the high output alt came as a police package, or did the car or truck come standard that way, or will you just then make rules so that Fords, Chevy's, and Dodges are no longer allowed in street?
This is Bull $&*# Wayne and you know it. Next your gonna make a rule that you can't add ANY options to your car, like we won't be able to get a car with leather seats.........what are you thinking?
Give me a break. A police package cannot be found as a standard add on package to a non-commercial vehicle. PERIOD.
If this is true, then why was I offered it when I got my Tahoe? Good thing I declined huh? BTW what is Wayne Going to do to police this? are you gonna link Term Lab up with DMV, or the auto manufacturers?
Oh I just thought of another loop hole.........a towing package.........what do you know........HMMMM, now people can get a towing package and be within the rules.........But I am sure there will be an addition to the ruled regarding this too, so it's a good thing that I didn't get that either.
I beleive the intent is to use a vehicle in the manner it arrived from the factory. I'm sure some people will try and offer you any package that they can get their hands on, packages are pure profit for these dealers.
In response to this should we make vehicles retain hatch covers? Should the CRX's be forced to reinstall their factory package trays?
I definitely think that would be a fair idea.
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