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Yes! The 2sq.ft is very good!! We think that 4sq.ft is too large for minimum area between the center console and the roof! You(ea1) can make it as large as you want it, but 2sq.ft is the smallest that the rules allows you to make it! The most important thing to do is make it LOUD!?
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4sq.ft would force lot's of extreme guys to re-build their cars in Europe. I have seen most of the top cars around but haven't measured that area, but just by thinking about it...
Nathans Honda is quite typicar car in Europe sure, but there are other kinds too and also different kinds of builds, someone might have very little floor build-up, hell even a floor build-down, so that would allow them to have rather high center console with roof build-down and still be able to sit very nicely. Of course the window area limits things.
Sure 2sq.ft might be "too small", so if there is a need to make an adjustement again, then compromise to 3sq.ft.
And like many guys have said, there are other rules now too that limits this. Good.
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Why not make it a percentage of the original OEM? Take.,for example two vehicles., one is a mini european car., the other is a van. If you set a percentage.,then it is fair to all vehicles.,small or large. And no vehicle has a distinct advantage over another. Just my idea. Thank you. Russell.
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"A minimum unobstructed area of at least 2 square feet (0.1858m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle. This unobstructed area should be envisioned as an imaginary “window” that separates the driver’s side of the vehicle from the passenger side of the vehicle."
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quote:Originally posted by dbWarriors: Now it's perfect!
"A minimum unobstructed area of at least 2 square feet (0.1858m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle. This unobstructed area should be envisioned as an imaginary “window” that separates the driver’s side of the vehicle from the passenger side of the vehicle."
so you need at least 2cuft of area above the center console??
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quote:Originally posted by dbWarriors: Now it's perfect!
"A minimum unobstructed area of at least 2 square feet (0.1858m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle. This unobstructed area should be envisioned as an imaginary “window” that separates the driver’s side of the vehicle from the passenger side of the vehicle."
so you need at least 2cuft of area above the center console??
No it is total area. Say you were looking in the drivers door towards the passengers door every area that you can see the passengers door in is included in the 2 square feet. So that is includes the above the dash, behind the center console, ect…. Just pretend that you would put a window in that area, that window has to be no less than 2 square feet.
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What do you all think about this idea : using the mic jig as the "hight" that is needed between the roof and centerconsole . Just a tought , or if thats to big , make a distance in hight that must be unubstructed between it . everybody nows that the lenght between the box and windshield various alot in differend size of cars , so just make the free space in (vertical )hight as a matter .
Greets , Christof.
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quote:Originally posted by stany: What do you all think about this idea : using the mic jig as the "hight" that is needed between the roof and centerconsole . Just a tought , or if thats to big , make a distance in hight that must be unubstructed between it . everybody nows that the lenght between the box and windshield various alot in differend size of cars , so just make the free space in (vertical )hight as a matter .
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I'll think its not enouf .(2 sq. ft.) And its still easy and possible to "play" with the rules if it is like that . 2 sq. ft. = to many options for bending the rule .
quote:Originally posted by dbWarriors: Now it's perfect!
"A minimum unobstructed area of at least 2 square feet (0.1858m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle. This unobstructed area should be envisioned as an imaginary “window” that separates the driver’s side of the vehicle from the passenger side of the vehicle."
so you need at least 2cuft of area above the center console??
No it is total area. Say you were looking in the drivers door towards the passengers door every area that you can see the passengers door in is included in the 2 square feet. So that is includes the above the dash, behind the center console, ect…. Just pretend that you would put a window in that area, that window has to be no less than 2 square feet.
2' of unobstreucted viewing area from one side to the next?? Dam that aint very much...
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quote:Originally posted by dbWarriors: i don't wan't rebuild my car
Lier of course you want rebuild
Seriously, it's enough because there are also other rules (eyebrown and frontwindow rules)
For what I read earlier this rule main purpose is to prevent plexi and other transparent things to divide driver and passenger area apart and therefore 2sq.ft is enogh
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There is no doubt in my mind that 2 sq foot is WAY too small. In my car, I could make some DRASTIC changes and still be legal in all other aspects.
Personally, I think at 2 sq ft your lowering extreme down to the port wars level, where attaining crazy numbers isn't very difficult due to the ability to totally isolate the rest of the vehicle from the passenger side.
I have always wondered if my car, with 3 sq ft, should be deemed legal, but 2 ft, COME ON PEOPLE, that is downright silly.
I still think 4 foot would be better. Sure, we would have to make some changes to our consoles, and our scores would go down, but SO WHAT. With this new rule our cars will be like putting the mic in a 6 cube box, with a 288 inch port.
PORT WARS is for USACi, and gets no respect in most spl circles. Is that what you want to happen to extreme?
I can promise that at 2 ft, a bunch of us (me included with my car and my new van) will have right at 2 sq foot of area, will do insane pressures, and our cars will be looked at with less respect than we get now.
PLEASE reconsider the 2 ft rule, I really think we will lose some of our respect when other competitors and spectators see how silly our cars our.
quote:Originally posted by ea1: There is no doubt in my mind that 2 sq foot is WAY too small. In my car, I could make some DRASTIC changes and still be legal in all other aspects.
Personally, I think at 2 sq ft your lowering extreme down to the port wars level, where attaining crazy numbers isn't very difficult due to the ability to totally isolate the rest of the vehicle from the passenger side.
I have always wondered if my car, with 3 sq ft, should be deemed legal, but 2 ft, COME ON PEOPLE, that is downright silly.
I still think 4 foot would be better. Sure, we would have to make some changes to our consoles, and our scores would go down, but SO WHAT. With this new rule our cars will be like putting the mic in a 6 cube box, with a 288 inch port.
PORT WARS is for USACi, and gets no respect in most spl circles. Is that what you want to happen to extreme?
I can promise that at 2 ft, a bunch of us (me included with my car and my new van) will have right at 2 sq foot of area, will do insane pressures, and our cars will be looked at with less respect than we get now.
PLEASE reconsider the 2 ft rule, I really think we will lose some of our respect when other competitors and spectators see how silly our cars our.
I still think that 4 is too much. With this hardly no one can't build their consoles at dashboard level...
Because I'm building a new car, this rule don't bother me so much; I can build my car by the rules. I have seen dB Warriors and Xteam consoles, wich are (propably) less than 3sq.ft and they didn't seem so bad at all. They still looked pretty normal.
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Ok , 4 is maybe difficult , but its not a big job to rebuild . And it looks always better . There s no need to have consoles at the same hight like the dash , there are more ways to work with in a extreme car . Somewhere in the rules there is a line that says that the cabine must "look" like a OEM cabine , when you open doors now you now also that it isnt looking like that anymore .
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Db Warriors , i am a bodyworker on cars , so i now how much work it is to redoing that . But that is not the point . The rules must be made for a general tought about extreme cars . And , please , keep them like a "car" .
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The whole 2 ft thing to me is bothersome. I do think it will cause some drastic changes in the way cars are built, I never dreamed building a car with only 2 ft over the console would be legal.
People who build extreme cars are usually industrious, and I dont think any of us would have a hard time redoing our consoles.
I know the REAL reason people dont want 4 ft, or at the very least 3. The reason is their scores will drop, but who cares, if everyone has to do it. Alma gates came out with a very ingenious install back in 96, that cost ALOT of money, but guess what. It was deemed illegal the next season, in the interest of keeping the sport appearing to be normal cars. I think we are in need of the same thing again.
If not 4 foot, then 3. That would be a nice comprimise, because it would be very easy for even the smallest car to conform, with very little work.
Things like this have to happen to better db drag. Just like the freq limit was imposed back in 98, we need to nip this in the bud now or scores will lose alot of their legitamacy.
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