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I noticed the side to side area limit of 4 foot was dropped to 2 foot. I think that is WAY too small. I thought the 4 foot was a little large, as my car with the console but no roof buiddowns is a little over 3, but I was rather glad to see the rule, even thought it would me a rebuild for me. But at 2 sq foot, it is truly meaningless, because ANY car from box to windshield is going to be 36 inches or greater. That means the opening from side to side would only need to be 8 inches tall . I say leave it at 4 foot, or, if others think it would cause undo rebuilds for them, 3.5 foot. I mean even at the ABSOLUTE least it should be 3 foot. I think my car should be illegal as it is based on this new regulation, but with 2 foot I could actually use roof builddowns to make the area approximately 50% smaller. I think that would be the exact picture of compartmentalizing the cabin.
Sorry my post is so wordy, but basically it needs to be 4 sq feet, or MAYBE 3.5 (both bigger than my car) or at the VERY LEAST 3 foot. The 2 foot rule is just ASKING for serious compartmentalizing of the cablin.
quote:Originally posted by piposs3-4: Well Wayne again when you answer my e-mail then I can tell my opinion about the rules, but I guess that might never happen...
I am waiting on an email answer too
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quote:Originally posted by ea1: but with 2 foot I could actually use roof builddowns to make the area approximately 50% smaller. I think that would be the exact picture of compartmentalizing the cabin.
"Nothing must obstruct the contestant’s view through the windshield or side windows of the vehicle. (Window bracing and floor-to-roof bracing is acceptable provided their use does not violate any other applicable rules.)"
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"The dBDRA considers any roof build-down that extends to a point below the contestant’s eyebrows an obstruction."
This rule won´t let no one use big roof build-downs.
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Try it again... I refreshed it 4 times, until the 9th was showed up to me (don't know why, but it was so).
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quote:o 1 to 2 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller
o OR a single woofer that is larger than 12 inches in diameter but no larger than 15-inches in diameter
This should read "OR a single woofer up to 15 inches, but no larger than 15" "
That would allow for single 6", 8", 10" in Street A.
**edit** Sorry, I didnt see the extreme part of the post, but I am not sorry enough to delete this or move it!!!
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quote:o 1 to 2 woofers 12-inches in diameter or smaller
o OR a single woofer that is larger than 12 inches in diameter but no larger than 15-inches in diameter
This should read "OR a single woofer up to 15 inches, but no larger than 15" "
That would allow for single 6", 8", 10" in Street A.
A single 6", 8", or 10" already IS allowed by the first sentence you quoted from the rulebook...
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Well, I am looking pretty stupid right about now!!!
I just got done working a Home Show talling to people who don't know anything for the past two days, so you can imagine how numb my mind is!!!
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i like the smaller rule we are not making the rule for one car but for many i already have to rebuild all my stuff. lets leave it like this and get to building
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(It's very late here now... my mind don't work)
Rules looks cool! About this 2sq.ft from earlier 4, is it now that it must be ONE area that is 2sq.ft ? I think earlier it was just total area (Wayne said in some post) so it could of been even like drilled holes in the center console making more area to calculate... I think it should be ONE area now as it was lowered to 2sq.ft. I guess it is, there was some strange talk about thinking it like it was a window Posts: 575 | From: Finland | Registered: Feb 2001
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I really need feedback here. We really don't want anyone to have to rebuild. The additions are intended as a stop-gap to prevent things from shrinking any further. If ANY of these changes impact you, please let me know how. Also let me know if you agree or disagree with the proposed change as written.
Thanks!
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I really need feedback here. We really don't want anyone to have to rebuild. The additions are intended as a stop-gap to prevent things from shrinking any further. If ANY of these changes impact you, please let me know how. Also let me know if you agree or disagree with the proposed change as written.
Thanks!
Thats fine with me, but at 2 ft, all the other rules would kick into play before you EVER get down to 2 ft, so the rule would not even neet to be on the books at 2 sq ft.
My car is as small as could possible be made, and its right at 3 feet, going smaller than that would be outright compartmentalizing. I have given this alot of thought, and 3.5 or 4 sq ft would be the most effective way of keeping things from progressing. I even think 3 sq ft is too small for any vehicle, including mine.
PS: We are talking total area over and behind the console aren't we? As in if you have a roof brace, the area in front of and behind it would be added together?
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wayne i think 3 foot would be a good number but i understand about the comp.from other countries having very small cars to start with. i think you should make the call. lets get them posted and get ready for sbn
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2 or 3 feet. It really doesnt matter to me, lets just get the new rules out so we can go ahead and rebuild. I have way more than 4 feet right now anyway.
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How about this...instead of square footage, just use the judge sitting in the vehicle and use a horizontal line from his chin,nose,etc. to determine the bottom of the roof build-down. The console still should not be higher than the dash, and the vehicle also would not be QUITE AS compartmentalized. Just an idea for a simple solution.
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I am sorry Wayne but I don’t agree with the wording of “For clarification purposes, the dBDRA defines an average size adult contestant as someone who is 66 inches (5’ 6” or 167.64cm) tall.” Why is the word adult changed to contestant? This is just going to create some issues with someone saying a “bigger” contestant can’t fit into their own vehicle when an adult that is 5’6” can. Also a contestant could be someone under the age of 18 and therefore have a smaller body structure than a person over 18. Please explain the wording change to me.
And what happened to the wording of the person’s feet must be in front of the person’s torso/body?
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2sq.ft is good. That with eyebrown and windshield (must have 4sq.ft transparent area...) rule is enough together to prevent too radical roof build-downs, consoles etc. Extreme class is still extreme class and rules shouldn't be too tight. There should be certain freedom to achieve the goal (to make loud car) or else there would be only couple models how to make a loud car and it would be hard to invent new ones
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