quote:Originally posted by Matze: ]But don't forget - this car isn't within the 2003 rules of the thickness of the damping material .. so wait if he'd get the same score again...
Üüüühh!!! Matze
Do you know the exact damping material thicness in this car?
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I would like to point out one thing. Any class that goes to finals will be DOMINATED by pros. There is no if's and's or but's about it. What you proposed above about the 1 amp and 12s in Street A (not Pro street) is no different than finals this year, and it will still take a 4KW, D3, D4, or JBL/Crown to be competitive at world finals. Scores will still be in the 155-156 range. Street was intentionally designed for "newbies" but as soon as it was allowed to go to finals, the "pros" stepped it. Every year some of the top cars at finals have been either pros or pro-built cars with someone else's name on it. This is why mini-street was created. No points, no finals, why would a "pro" mess with mini-street.
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I like the idea of "Street" and "Pro Street" (eliminating MINI). But isn't it too late for 2003? How about tightening all the screws down during this season and make 2004 the year of change. Enduro, Pro Street, strapped amps, etc. Let's get on with the 2003 season.
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quote:Originally posted by joeyjetsfan: I like the idea of "Street" and "Pro Street" (eliminating MINI). But isn't it too late for 2003? How about tightening all the screws down during this season and make 2004 the year of change. Enduro, Pro Street, strapped amps, etc. Let's get on with the 2003 season.
Yes..i agree draft #9 is the best right now....but like my post above says...a slight name change should be done....
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I will agree...it would be nice IF ministreet went to finals BUT....(BIG A$$) BUT two things...
1...I could say this 100 times....the termpro software will NOT....NOT...NOT track the extra clases that would be needed.... 2...IF, mini street had finals all the pros would saturate that as well....why, because they don't have to spend a ton of cash, AND they get finals reconognition....
The idea of state finals WOULD give mini street something to shoot for BUT, the state's with higher compitior and show counts would have to have someone regulate this....TERMPRO software CAN NOT do it.That way the big dogs wouldn't want in (no world finals) and some respect would still be avalable....
maybe talk all the retailers in the high comp area's to hold a x3 before the season cut off date, and that would be the mini street finals....heck, you could even do regional X3 mini street finals... and it would offer more points for the serious peps...
I can't come up with the gritty for ya, I don't care...there is like 25 people in my whole state that went to a DBdrag show last year...I am not worried about a state finals...but those of you who might be....get it in gear...
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quote:Originally posted by HGCA: the termpro software will NOT....NOT...NOT track the extra clases that would be needed....
But it can track the new EXTRA Ex 1 class? and Ex 2 woofer class?
yes...BUT, they got ride of a class to make room... ex 9-13 and 13+ got combined!!!! if we canceled out extreem all together it would free up plenty of room for mini street classes..but we all know that, is not going to happen. And I don't know how the termlabnet soft ware is... but, even IF IT has the room to allow new clsses, it couldn't be done, untill old termpro equipment gets completly phased out...
quote:Originally posted by HGCA: the termpro software will NOT....NOT...NOT track the extra clases that would be needed....
But it can track the new EXTRA Ex 1 class? and Ex 2 woofer class?
yes...BUT, they got ride of a class to make room... ex 9-13 and 13+ got combined!!!! if we canceled out extreem all together it would free up plenty of room for mini street classes..but we all know that, is not going to happen. And I don't know how the termlabnet soft ware is... but, even IF IT has the room to allow new clsses, it couldn't be done, untill old termpro equipment gets completly phased out...
Also, didn't Wayne write termpro? why couldn't he just make an update for it, to add the new classes?
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quote:Originally posted by HGCA: the termpro software will NOT....NOT...NOT track the extra clases that would be needed....
But it can track the new EXTRA Ex 1 class? and Ex 2 woofer class?
no Extreme 13+ = 1 more class available Extreme 1-2 becomes Extreme 2 Extreme 1 takes place of extra class Still the same number of classes overall.
If you look back at the ministreet discussion from a year ago, you will see that the only way to have a try newbie class is to give the pros no motivation to compete in the class. If pros run ministreet to gather a lot of trophies, then they need to evaluate their own self-esteem. I have seen a few "former" pros in ministreet but that was because they weren't able to run street due to the move-up rule. Also at those shows they were limited to no mroe than 150 (if they did over a 150, they were DQ'ed).
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Thanks Zac, That is what happens when you're at finals and you realize that you can't find 2 dB to beat someone you're going against. 64Hz in the lanes for 30 seconds, 20 Hz in the pits for 1.5 minutes. Could have been longer if my battery hadn't have dropped low enough to kick the amp into protect (40 amp charger). Only blew one coil on each sub (4 ohm coil to a 0.8 ohm coil) but the woofers would still play after that.
Guess all of this knowledge about the street class comes from being in it for THREE years, with 2003 to be my 4th. I was a few points away from making it to finals in 2000 (moved in August), finished around 225th and the took the top 200. 2001 I needed about 2dB in certified score, but didn't have time to work on my truck (moved in August) as well as points. 2002 finally made it. 2003, well only time will tell.
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I am not saying it can or can't be done, with a software rewrite or patch/update....I didn't make it BUT, if it could, i think it would have happened by now...
further more... non directional.. I think that alot of the people complaining about street and it's amps DO NOT really care about pros...if that was the case, you would want 10000watt amps to make up for there experise. I belive the majority of peps with the big problem (either wayit don't matter) are more problemed by the underlieng problem of cost than the are willing to admit...
if not, they are very mising formed....because the rules could ban 4 channels but what will that do? leave 2? the crown/JBL monster will still get in..then instead of worring about buying a 4K$ zapco, you will all be concerned about how to get the 7K$ crown/JBL. IF "real big IF" we could regulate wattage somehow, we wouldn't have this problem.....oh wait, we can...how about a 4000 watt cap in street ? ???? .you like? well, we allready have that, it's called STOCK ELECTRICAL.
again, I will say look at it this way, there is NO way to keep these amps that COULD (if they had the amprage) produce 4000+ watts out of street. By the new rules.it just offers more options to get that 4000watts than being forced into buying a 4KW,D3-4, Crown/jbl....another words, if you think your car can produce 200 amps...at 14 volts, well you now have tons of ways you could get it...2 D2's, 2 BD1500's, 2 mojo's, or 2 of just about any mono block out there....
i need to shorten my posts.. but I am just tring to help everyone understand that some things are NOT going to change no matter how the rule are rewriten...and that this 9th draft offers the most possabilites to over come them with OUT being tied to 2 or 3 brands..
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In the end Wayne will make the decision that he feels is best for dbdra, now some will agree some will not. This is the real world and yes this is a hobby for most of us, but if you keep complaining Wayne may close the forum again. I think the rules are as fair as they have ever been.
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quote:Originally posted by HGCA: the termpro software will NOT....NOT...NOT track the extra clases that would be needed....
But it can track the new EXTRA Ex 1 class? and Ex 2 woofer class?
yeah, why would it be so hard to change. a simple update file would solve everything anyhow (gonna have to do it for ex 1 and 2 and extreme 9+, plus most systems dont even have ministreet listed)
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PLEASE don't change number of amps in Street class. One in S-A and 2 in S-B is perfect.
We are talking about thousands of users which will be hurt with this rule just because few top competitors use 4 kW's
Think about how many competitors use 4 kW at local competition and how much use other normal amps. But in 2 amp in S-A competitions will be dominated by competitors with 2 amps and that will make everything more expensive.
Think also about competitors worldwide that pay more for equipment than competitors in USA!!!
If 4kW amps are realy some advantage other companies will produce them soon, and price will drop. Also with time there will be some used for sale etc.
Will 2-4 amp rule make this class cheaper? ? ? I don't think so
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quote: Dr.Loudness: ...Think about how many competitors use 4 kW at local competition and how much use other normal amps. But in 2 amp in S-A competitions will be dominated by competitors with 2 amps and that will make everything more expensive...Will 2-4 amp rule make this class cheaper? ? ? I don't think so
...Hmmm, - $5995.00 msrp for the Zapco 4Kw, - $1095.00 msrp x 2 for 2 RF BD1500s - $1095.00 msrp x 2 for 2 Memphis Mojos - even less for 2 MTX 1501s, SonicFXs, Vipers, etc...
Sorry, I have to disagree with the statement that the new rule will make it more expensive to be in the top 8 at the World Finals.
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