I think that I have said too much....................I must go now................the SPL Ninja's are upon me Need more power? UP YOURS!! with Excessive Amperage! Posts: 6070 | From: Northern California | Registered: Nov 1999
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I agree too....... but you guys, something had to be done....this ia about the most logical resulution I can see, I mean give wayne a little credit here....insead of worrieing abut where you are going to buy your 4KW, D4, Us6000x, you can worry about buying something that posesses two things...flexability (in brand and usage) and afordbility...I mean the 4 kw's can't be had for much under 2 grand...used, you could go buy 2 D2's now spend less than a grand, and still have he same amplafcation opertunities as anyone else... if anything, wayne is still hurting the peps that have these amps...how much demand COST is going to drop now...that 2000 dollar use amp will be sitting on someones shelf for years, because there is MANY different ways to get 4000 watts now....
it may be more of a change than anyone wanted...but ane thing everyone wanted got addressed...to level the playing field...for most people...
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I have said it before, and I will say it again...........what is so wrong with the way it was?? Sure there were a few with the 4KW's the D3's etc. But so what?? Most of the top people at finals didn't even have these until right before finals, ya know what that means?? it means that they actually worked on thier systems, they built box after box after box, got everything tuned right, THEN got the amp, I mean come on, sure getting one of the "moster" amps will give you a decent score, but it is the ones that actually WORKED on thier systems first that ends up at the top, this whole street class is turning into who ever can afford the most wins, well ya know what? I don't know of any sport that players have to pay to play, are you going to tell me that Mark Mcgwire, Berry Bonds, Etc. has to pay for baseball bats, shoes?? No, I don't think so, let's take Nascar since everyone wants to compare the two, what driver do you know that buys his own car? What driver do you know pays for the equpment for the car? All the cars are the same, it is the DRIVER that make the difference, so why shouldn't this be the same? it should be all in the install, should it not? Especially in street
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Oh and just for the record, I dont, and never have had a problem with the 4KW's, the D3's etc........It should be left alone, sure remove the move up rule because it was "too hard to police" ya keep adding stupid rules...................you don't think that THOSE are going to be hard to police? HA! We'll see. Ya know it's funny cause I have competed in IASCA, USACi, and dBdrag, and NEVER seen rules so hard to enforce, or follow (now) than dBdrag's, dBdrag has turned into "who cares about the new guys" and that is where the business is, in my opinion going to get ran right into the ground. You have to have a place for someone to start, this "mini street" crap is just that.............CRAP, someone coming into mini street, has nothing to shoot for, no finals, nothing, and then there is the thing that the promoter can set a cap on the SPL, ok, say the cap is 140dB, the "newbie" hits a 143dB, he thinks "ok, well that's pretty good, I should do ok in Street 1-2, ok, go for it, put me in there"......what happens?? That's right, you have others there doing 153 + in Street 1-2, guess what? I can almost promise you that this "newbie" will not show back up at another comp, and THIS is where dBdrag will fall, because there will not be enough new people coming into this sport to support it. Or running people out of the "sport"
**Disclaimer** This is just my own personal opinions, and does not reflect the views of anyone associated with our team......well, maybe a couple........but not the whole team.
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why cant a new pro street be made, and mini street eliminated, and turned into street..
Street A - 1 amp, 2 12" or 1 15 Street B - 1 amp, 4 12" or 2 15 or 1 18"
Pro Street A- 4 unbr. chan, 2 12" or 1 15" Pro street B- 8 unbr. Chan, 4 12" or 2 15 or 1 18
this way, the "pros" can have their class, and the everyday joes, the newbies, and everyone else who is "not so serious" can compete in street. simple solution but obviously too hard for everyone to understand.
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I know I have already posted this, but let's face it, the 4kw has started this whole problem in the first place, so just ban 4 chann amps and keep it the way it is. Besides, 4 amps in street B???? Come on, you tell me one retailer or competitor that thinks that is right for a "street" class. Also the mini street class doesn't fix the problem either.
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Personally.. I think the amplifier rules should stay the same as they were.. sure there might be amps like the 4kw.. but lets face it.. they'll just find another way around the rules.. but now to stay competitive all the street competitors will have to go out and buy another amp.. that doesnt seem really too fair to me!?!?
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quote:Originally posted by pipebomb: I have to agree with rick,
why cant a new pro street be made, and mini street eliminated, and turned into street..
Street A - 1 amp, 2 12" or 1 15 Street B - 1 amp, 4 12" or 2 15 or 1 18"
Pro Street A- 4 unbr. chan, 2 12" or 1 15" Pro street B- 8 unbr. Chan, 4 12" or 2 15 or 1 18
this way, the "pros" can have their class, and the everyday joes, the newbies, and everyone else who is "not so serious" can compete in street. simple solution but obviously too hard for everyone to understand.
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I would say don't bitch people...I mean 2 D2s is alot cheaper then a 4KW...so basically this allows people who can't afford the 4KW to be compeitive...it also makes people who can't afford two amps be WAY behind however I would honestly say that if you can't afford two $350 amps you aren't a really serious compeitor anyways cause that isn't really very much considering that the 4kw that other champions had to buy was $2000+
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quote:Originally posted by pipebomb: I have to agree with rick,
why cant a new pro street be made, and mini street eliminated, and turned into street..
Street A - 1 amp, 2 12" or 1 15 Street B - 1 amp, 4 12" or 2 15 or 1 18"
Pro Street A- 4 unbr. chan, 2 12" or 1 15" Pro street B- 8 unbr. Chan, 4 12" or 2 15 or 1 18
this way, the "pros" can have their class, and the everyday joes, the newbies, and everyone else who is "not so serious" can compete in street. simple solution but obviously too hard for everyone to understand.
just my opinion..
take away the 18, change street to mini street, pro street to street and that is how it is on the books as of now?!?!?!?! Is the names of the class what makes people trip? Mini street can be whatever the shop sees fit.I know of a shop in Fresno that has been addin his own classes for years and people off the street who didn't know better(aka newbies) love it. Go Jay!!
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quote:Originally posted by BoomKing: I know I have already posted this, but let's face it, the 4kw has started this whole problem in the first place, so just ban 4 chann amps and keep it the way it is. Besides, 4 amps in street B???? Come on, you tell me one retailer or competitor that thinks that is right for a "street" class. Also the mini street class doesn't fix the problem either.
EXACTLY. how many people do you actually see running a four channel amp (that isnt a 4kw) to subs? like someone said in another post, the 4kw is pretty much the only "4 channel" that you can run and be competitive with. it wouldnt be hard to keep street the way it is and have a black list of amps for street class like splenduro does.
from what ive seen people say, im under the impression that a handful of people bought 4kw's after finals. why should the rules be changed to help them? im sure they knew the 4kw is somewhat of a grey area. no offense to them but they should have waited until after rule changes to make a big purchase like a 4kw.
or like i mentioned awhile ago and pipebomb mentioned now, make a pro street and have the "new street rules" be only for that class so the 4 kilowatters can play with others who have equally powered systems.
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I am not trying to dis credit anyone, but I think alot of people were griping about the rules in hope to get the big amps banned, and now tht that has NOT happened, a few people are upset because of the rules were made to work around the big amps, so that no ne really get's hurt. I think If this cheater amp syndrome would have got niped in the butt when it came about ALOT of people would be real happy with thing the way they were...but, it didn't and now, how can some compitiors say this amp is no good, simply on the reasoning other that it is unafordable...(because of wayne ohm's law thread) It would be very wrong to make anyone move and anyone buy more stuff... All I got to say is this...if it's all install (and it is like 95% of it) then the new rules shouldn't matter...jus because you can buy two amps now...if you did good with one...don't buy a second one...the rules won't hurt you at all because your install will make up for it...
a leveling need to be made, and it has been....I think this is the best draft yet.
furthermore...yes rick, your right, nascar peps don't buy ther own gear, and neither do major legue baseball players, but the are pros... like extreem or SS classes...go to your local joe dirt track (where the beginners are) and jus look and see how many of them have to pay to play. They usaly build there race/demo/derby/cart cars right in there garages and recive little to no help at all. And how many beginners in base ball can go to the store and ask for a free glove.. point made, unless your a pro (SPONSERSHIPS) you DO hve to pay to play. I think there should be a limi to that...but if you can tell me how the manufatures and retailers will sell 2000 watt amps for 250 bucks new...and NOT go broke...I will be ver surpried...Playing is not free, and sience we can't keep out the 5000$MSRP amps...something need to be adujusted to where the compitior could keep up with out spending 2-5K on an amp....the rules NOW do that...
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and just for understanding...and another point...
there is presently no way to make a beginner street and a pro street that have there points tracked....the software will not allow it...
I do though like the idea of naming mini street "STREET" and calling what is presently street "PROSTREET" NOT canging any f the rules...just the names... reasoning...how old is our typical beginer 16-21 now most peps in this range are very sensitive to peer presure and the whole pop culture, gotta be cool looking socity...now if they go to a show and they want to compete, they might go into street, just so they are not being belittled by going into minisreet. They want t lok cool and don't want to be in the mini class because they think they are so "bad" well, hen they get stomped and never come back for fear of future embarasment... it's like calling a 18y/o male who is not an adult yet...a little boy...how well does that go over?
quote:Originally posted by HGCA: and just for understanding...and another point...
there is presently no way to make a beginner street and a pro street that have there points tracked....the software will not allow it...
I do though like the idea of naming mini street "STREET" and calling what is presently street "PROSTREET" NOT canging any f the rules...just the names... reasoning...how old is our typical beginer 16-21 now most peps in this range are very sensitive to peer presure and the whole pop culture, gotta be cool looking socity...now if they go to a show and they want to compete, they might go into street, just so they are not being belittled by going into minisreet. They want t lok cool and don't want to be in the mini class because they think they are so "bad" well, hen they get stomped and never come back for fear of future embarasment... it's like calling a 18y/o male who is not an adult yet...a little boy...how well does that go over?
Either way, I think that what ever it is...mini or just street, need to goto finals, other wise like I have said before, there is nothing to shoot for.
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I would have to disagree Rick. There are 30 or 40 people who are even serious about going to finals in street 1-2. The intro class has literally THOUSANDS of competitors, 99% of which don't care about points or finals one bit.
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