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to be honest and as you can probably tell, i was against the current set of rules even though they seem fair, only cause i'm cheap lol. but the more i think about it, the more i like them. #1 its fair across the board, #2 i have a chance to feed my subwoofer more power which it is begging for. #3, if i'm hittin 151-153 now, imagine what a little more power can do for me, and the biggest #4 even if wayne changes the rules, zapco is gonna find a way around it, and i hope u people realize it. i can see them planning to find the ones proposed now but that would be difficult. i honestly say we leave it like it is now. hope all the batteries don't melt lol
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quote:Originally posted by Sir_Stickybuds: to be honest and as you can probably tell, i was against the current set of rules even though they seem fair, only cause i'm cheap lol. but the more i think about it, the more i like them. #1 its fair across the board, #2 i have a chance to feed my subwoofer more power which it is begging for. #3, if i'm hittin 151-153 now, imagine what a little more power can do for me, and the biggest #4 even if wayne changes the rules, zapco is gonna find a way around it, and i hope u people realize it. i can see them planning to find the ones proposed now but that would be difficult. i honestly say we leave it like it is now. hope all the batteries don't melt lol
I agree.
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i think its because im tired, but i dont understand the 2 amps rule for Street 1-2, i have a Autotek MX-5000 it does 500x2 @ 4ohms 1200x2 @ 1ohm 2400x1 @ 2ohms mono does this mean that i can have 2 of these then? thank you for the help
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quote:Originally posted by earcandy2319: i think its because im tired, but i dont understand the 2 amps rule for Street 1-2, i have a Autotek MX-5000 it does 500x2 @ 4ohms 1200x2 @ 1ohm 2400x1 @ 2ohms mono does this mean that i can have 2 of these then? thank you for the help
As written in the current draft (9), you may use 2 of these amps. I will try to incorporate some examples in the rule book so that it is easier to understand.
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Thank you. The rules.,look good. Can you also include the provision "batteries must be lead acid" .,or else some manufacturer will start to offer silver plate batteries., battery posts must be lead acid.,silver is not permited., high temperature experimental batteries are not permited. batteries.,if not oem.,must be typical lead acid. positive and negative power cables may be upgraded.,but.,must be made of copper.,silver cable is not permited.
Can you please clarify rule 6-7c "behind the trailing edge of the REARMOST side door(s) on the vehicle" 6-2 " All loudspeaker enclosures, and / or baffle boards , with the exception of those mounted in the kick-panels or doors, shall be located behind an imaginary plane that stretches from the trailing edge of the driver`s door to the trailing edge of the passenger door"
3-4 mentions two adult passengers. I have a 1998 chevy cavalier.,two door sedan.,the rear seats are foldable. I want to replace the foam rubber covering of the rear OEM seat with a satin covering or cotton mesh.,in other words.,the OEM seat is the same.,the only thing I wish to change is the ugly brown fabric covering and foam rubber with satin or cotton. Why if the rules only mention two adult passengers is the rear seat folding .,or not.,important? Thank you. Russell. P. S. Good job Wayne.,and thank you for helping all of us.
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I'll just make my statement simple...keep it at one amp in street a or 1-2 and 2 amps in street 3-4 or b..lets see if some of these people can make a 15 as loud as 2-12's with one or two amps depending on the class
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i think that i agree with Big ED that manufacturers will find their way around this and their will be another amp out there that someone will be complaining about.
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A big amp the size of a cocacola can? No way.,Jose. Tell an amp manufacturer that you have a weight limit of 12 pounds.,amp case size is 14 inches long by 8 inches wide by three inches ht. Tell them you want a ten thousand watt amp inside that case. See my point? A end to the insane growth of amp power. Can you fit a ten thousand watt amp inside a case that is one pound.,length is six inches long by three inches wide by one inch ht? No? Well if no manufacturer is able to do this. Where does this leave the subject of huge cheater amps? DEAD.
Thank you. Please end the game. Russell.
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quote:Originally posted by russellburrows: A big amp the size of a cocacola can? No way.,Jose. Tell an amp manufacturer that you have a weight limit of 12 pounds.,amp case size is 14 inches long by 8 inches wide by three inches ht. Tell them you want a ten thousand watt amp inside that case. See my point? A end to the insane growth of amp power. Can you fit a ten thousand watt amp inside a case that is one pound.,length is six inches long by three inches wide by one inch ht? No? Well if no manufacturer is able to do this. Where does this leave the subject of huge cheater amps? DEAD.
Thank you. Please end the game. Russell.
Contrary to the beliefs of some on this board, 99% of the audio equipment manufactured IS NOT designed with any competition organization in mind. It is usually designed to sell to the masses, and rightfully so.
With that being said, limiting amps due to their size is very harmful to the industry, and to the organization. If someone goes and buys an amp becuase he likes the way it looks or sounds, should he be penalized because it is larger than another amp? I dont think so.
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AAAAAHHHHHHHH, my head hurts from reading all of this but from what I see the amplifier limitation is good and on the right track. Also would be a good change to street class for next season. I think it's going to make it more fun and that is the point isn't it? But the talk of limiting the batteries to acid and the wire to copper is unneeded. Because if you limit these then the judges have more inspections to make and we all know the shows can go long enough as it is some times. Also by limiting batteries to acid and wires to copper it just causes problems with more people to possibably cheet and try to move around the rule. Just leave it to upgraded battery in stock location one 1 farad cap and upgraded wires w/ stock alternator and we'll all be fine and fair, because no one will be hiding anything. But whatever the rules may end up to be for street I'm looking forward to a competitive season with no excuses.
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I'm really wondering why the decision was made to limit the # of amplifiers in Street'A' to 2, when allowing 4 true single-channel (non-internally-bridged) mono amps would actually even things up with regard to the Zapco 4Kw and as discussed, the stock battery/alternator would probably not be able to keep up with more than 3-4K anyway?
Even though I don't believe there would be a significant difference between 2 and 4 1500 watt mono amps at that Street class level of available voltage/current, at least it would allow competitors to spend more money at the local retailer's in the hopes they would actually get louder, thereby truly evening-out the class, with the allowance of ANY4 non-bridged amplifier channels configuration.
It was necessary to run FOUR MTX 81000s to keep up with TWO Zapco 9.0s (1 4KW) in Chris Howard's 2 Stroker 18" woofer, SS1-2 truck. (163.1dB 2/9.0s vs. 163.3dB 4 MTX 81000s).
Doubling the number of amps from 4 MTX 81000s to 8 RF BD1500s netted Chris almost exactly 3dB gain (166.2) - so I believe 4 of either the MTXs, RF 81000s, or a similar mono channel amps would be quite close to being the equivalent to the Zapco 4Kw.
However, depending upon the battery/charging system, only having two (non-internally-bridged) mono amps may still play out to be a handicap for competitors who have to eventually compete against systems sporting the Zapco 4Kw or two: Memphis Mojos, Vipers, Crossfire 2000s, etc...
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I have a slight concern that I think will help...
Please show support, I think this is good....
In Sa or Sb you can fold rear sets if they were made tht way....I think we should let kids pull there no folding seats out and down. There is a hole lot of kids out there who don't have this...and it's alot harder to get spl from a trunk than an open trunk...just an idea, that could be added in to level the playing field....not hard, very easy...I doubt to many would contest....
I really don't think that is good idea... a lot of us (not living in USA) CAN NOT afford to buy even one amplifier (yes for you guys, a cheap one)... now we could use two??
keep the street streatable... or add a clas that will allow only one apmlifier...
I hope, that dB-Drag will be able to develop world vide under those harsh conditions...
Regards, Edi
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Here is my vote: Draft 9 is a fair compromise for the 2003 season. Let's get on with it. I also ask that the enduro format be brought to Street in 2004. There has got to be a way. Thanks Wayne.
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Draft 9 is the best way to go....remember....Wayne does not want to punnish those who already spent the $2k on a 4kwt...he has just leveled the playing feild....3 to 4kwts is the most you can realisticly power in 1-2/A and with the addition of not being alowed to swap out your batt you would not have the worry about someone trying to power anything larger....since it would surely kill your batt before the final round.....
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for you guys each amp is cheaper then over here in europe,d2 costs 1150$ bd1500 costs near 2000$ when yoy guys buy 2 amps we buy 1 think about that,people that don't have a lott of cash,and were glad that they could afford that 1 amp they chose now have too get another one too play on top again,i like the new rules butt i think theire will be a great difference on a contest
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Just my 2 cents worth, I think we should keep extrem 9-12 and 13 plus, I think its its wrong to drop a big class and offer a 1 woofer class, if its to exspensive for you, Im sorry !!! keep the classes the same !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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