quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: that means Zapco has to get some litterature out on the 4KW
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Thank you, I have never seen anything on this amp at all.............but again, what is the MSRP of it?? That would make it a fair playing field as well
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well people, i just thought of somethin, you all know dang well that if wayne does change this rule, zapco is gonna find a way around it, they always do, its like their goal in life. might as well leave it
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quote:Originally posted by Sir_Stickybuds: well people, i just thought of somethin, you all know dang well that if wayne does change this rule, zapco is gonna find a way around it, they always do, its like their goal in life. might as well leave it
I don't have any problems with the rules the way they were.............I Don't know why this needed to be changed in the 1st place.
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quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: I don't have any problems with the rules the way they were.............I Don't know why this needed to be changed in the 1st place.
I agree
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quote:Originally posted by Shedluv Steve, is that the same literature that states that it is 2 9.0s in one case like at CES?
Not sure about the CES part. this is 2002 literature. This is the print at the bottom of the 4kw...
With two 9.0XD boards in a single chassis, the 4KW is the baddest of the bad boys. The 4KW will pound out over 1,000 watts from each of four channels, into 2 ohms or into 1 ohm. Bridged to dual mono use, it will do roughly 5,000 watts, and do it in a package so small that you won't believe it.
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quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: Thank you, I have never seen anything on this amp at all.............but again, what is the MSRP of it?? That would make it a fair playing field as well
I believe its $5800, but they can be found used for $2000. Thats $1000 per 9.0.
One was sold in Springfield, Mo the other day for $1500
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quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: Thank you, I have never seen anything on this amp at all.............but again, what is the MSRP of it?? That would make it a fair playing field as well
I believe its $5800, but they can be found used for $2000. Thats $1000 per 9.0.
One was sold in Springfield, Mo the other day for $1500
So MSRP is $5800? then we go off MSRP not what you can get one for.
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If I am allowed to run two MTX 8100D's strapped together than I will certainly re-join DB Drag this year (buy a membership). Does the 7th draft allow for this (clarification please)? No, I don't expect to walk into DB Drag as a newbie and have a credible chance to win. The competition is very stiff here in CA. But to be able to qualify and get a couple of runs out of the day makes me happy. Then I'll spend the rest of the day impressing spectators.
quote:Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic: I don't have any problems with the rules the way they were.............I Don't know why this needed to be changed in the 1st place.
I agree 100%
Street is supposed to be just that, a street class. When did it become the "lets se who has the most $$$ to drop on 4kws and jbl/crowns" class? Before, the big guys were spending like $2000 on their amps. Now, with these changes, we wil have to spend double that in order to be competitve? No way. There needs to be a cap on street class. 1 amp was bad enough, but allowing 2 monster amps is even worse. Street class is for the average competitor. The average joe who spends his weekdays at his 9-5 and his weekends at the shows. The more we allow in street class in terms or power/amps, the more we step away from the fundamentals of street class...
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Well, think about this. I am trying to get my soon-to-be wife into the 'sport'. Of course, I'd get her into the MINI class (if it is available). Then she gets the thrill of being competitive and hopefully gets hooked for life on such an awesome 'sport' and organization (DB Drag Racing). As long as MINI is made a part of most shows, I don't see a problem with the revision 7 of the rules.
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I like what wayne said. 2 amps maximum in street a and 4 in street b. Batteries only produce so much. I've but 2 4KWs in my CRX and with 1 yellow top and stock charging(which aren't the strongest batteries) my volatage drops so low that my cdplayer shuts off 9-8volts. If we changed to 1 amp the Crown or any other huge mono block that is going to be produced would just dominate giving all you complainers something else to complain about, and as wayne states it takes power to make power so I'd like to see someone power over 5000 watts in Street A. The whole thing is that even though some might get mad at me for saying this, all the street guys on here that are saying I can't be competitive because I don't have a 4KW or its because of money or yada yada, will still be getting thier asses handed to them on a regular basis next year by the people who actually put time into their cars and know what they are doing and then you will find something else to complain about. I wish the 4KW thing would have been stood up to in the first place instead of trying to not hurt a companies feelings but you can't change the past and something does need to be done about past screwups. You've got the right idea Wayne, coming from a guy with a 4KW that is not, as you put it, whinning about leveling the playing field. Level it and you will see the same results with same people on top. Power doesn't gain you as much as everyone would like to dream in the street class. Good job WAYNE.
I'm going to finish off with a quote that my track coach made the team remember before the season starts and something some of you should think about. Excuses are tools of incompetince, they build monuments of nothingness, and those who specialize in them seldomly amount to anything else. Eric Coultier and Tonya Garcia didn't use excuses and you know what they were the most impressive people in the street class at finals WITHOUT needing 4KWs...
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: Excuses are tools of incompetince, they build monuments of nothingness, and those who specialize in them seldomly amount to anything else.
Last I checked, You don't need money to run track in high school do you? Oh maybe it was the $120 pair of running shoes.....J/K.............But seriously, I have said it time and time again, it should have been left alone. Everything was working fine
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1 Normal 2 Channel amp(ex: Zapco 9.0, Kicker KX800.2)
Street B:
4 Strappable Monoblocks
2 Internally bridged
1 4-channel(ex: Zapco 4kw, US 6000X)
I think it needs to come down to, this amp is not allowed in this class, and this one is. There needs to be a set list, and if manufacturers try to circumvent the rules, then it needs to be taken care of. Thanks for reading.
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quote:Originally posted by orphan440: Excuses are tools of incompetince, they build monuments of nothingness, and those who specialize in them seldomly amount to anything else.
Last I checked, You don't need money to run track in high school do you? Oh maybe it was the $120 pair of running shoes.....J/K.............But seriously, I have said it time and time again, it should have been left alone. Everything was working fine
I don't need any money for track, they pay me . How else do you think a college student can afford a 4KW. The only thing I mad about with this is that the resale value of my 4KW is going down the tubes . Wayne will make the right choice.
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It's simple it's how it was so what if finals you need a big amp but not totally true because some people di dnot have the big 4kw's and got invited
This is a national sport to win on a national level you have to spend money.
The only thing this is doing is actually causing you to spend even more money, because with this rule people will get 2 JBL's or 2 Viper 2500d's for Street A
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i think we should just do what shedluv said.
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Personally I'm thrilled at the prospect of being able to use a single 15 and set of amps in the street class. I think this might even the playing field for us guys who aren’t willing to sell our souls for a 4KW . I see the average SPL levels going up a lot with this rule!
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quote:Originally posted by miniddbeast: Ok idbl......see how cheap other things are to comp. in. .....i guess we need to make it so the sparko matic guy can win street.
No we need to make it so that regular people can win...not just who has the most money/hookup.
Why should regular people win?? What is there to strive for? The best should win. Why not learn as much as you can about more efficent enclosure designs? That won't cost much. I have read more people complaining than commenting. The people complaining will continue until they get a class they can win with little to no effort, that is not what winning is about. Do the best that you can with what you have and you will never lose. I agree with what Kevin said in an earlier post, "Excuses are tools of incompetince, they build monuments of nothingness, and those who specialize in them seldomly amount to anything else. Eric Coultier and Tonya Garcia didn't use excuses and you know what they were the most impressive people in the street class at finals WITHOUT needing 4KWs..."
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holy crap. now thins are even more complicated.
I like the idea of two stappabale mono blocks, or one internaly bridged amp or a regular 2 channel. that seems to be the best. but can we hurry up and vote.
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: holy crap. now thins are even more complicated.
I like the idea of two stappabale mono blocks, or one internaly bridged amp or a regular 2 channel. that seems to be the best. but can we hurry up and vote.
I believe this IS voting
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