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Okay, so let me get this straight. I am now allowed two monoblock amps in street 1-2(A). So that means i am allowed to run two viper d2500.1? And now 15's are aloowed in Street? This is going to be very interesting this year. Thanks Wayne!
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i really do not agree with this whole amp thing why not keep what isn't broken i mean ya the 4kw was made for this but i mean like me that doesn't have alot of money but i do have everything that i need to be competitive. but now i have to fine the money to go find another bd. so now the rules are only alowing the people that have the money that can buy two amps
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Ok wayne i think it should stay the way u have it. Cause if u push the 4kw to street b. Then i just wasted $1800 for a used one. If price is the object. Then stay in mini street (aka newbie class)...if u want to play with the big dogs u have to have the $$$$$ to do so. The reason i bought the 4kw is so i could compete in a class this year and do well. But if they push it to street b. I am done with db drag. Cause i was going to give it another run this year. Cause 2 years back i got tired of the bs. But this year i decieded if u cant bet them join them. And then this happens.
quote:Originally posted by cavRF: i really do not agree with this whole amp thing why not keep what isn't broken i mean ya the 4kw was made for this but i mean like me that doesn't have alot of money but i do have everything that i need to be competitive. but now i have to fine the money to go find another bd. so now the rules are only alowing the people that have the money that can buy two amps
AHHH.......the typical "Street" install........no, they (dbDra) are more concerned about the people that already compete, and that have already bought the amps. Not the newbies, the future of dBdrag
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that is the way i see it too i wasn't a member last year but i competed around my area and i did well i. now i was going to make a run this year because i had all i could get. but i don't have the money like that and i would be a new guy this year but i don't know if i have to buy all this other stuff now. this sport is growing but for the people that have money
quote:Originally posted by miniddbeast: But if they push it to street b. I am done with db drag. Cause i was going to give it another run this year.
Oh look, another person wanting to leave dBdrag........I know that you can't make everyone happy, but I really think that this MINI BS is just that BS, you needed to leave it the way it was.
miniddbeast: you say "if u want to play with the big dogs u have to have the $$$$$ to do so" well then why not go to street b??
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1 2-channel against 1 Monoblock (even if it's a true mono )
or
1 4-channel against 2 2-channel against 2 monoblocks.
===>>> 7th Draft is AT LEAST the second best solution, perhaps even the best one!
Üüüüühh!! Matze
But then you run into the fact that if a newbiw comes out to compete in street, and he is running a 4 channel amp for subs, and mids/highs
Why?
this will nly happen whit the first possibility I wrote, but for this "small powered 4-channel-amps" can be found a exception rule much easier ...
So I wrote the 7th draw is AT LEAST the second best. In my opinion, taking the 7th draw is the best compromise for everyone - its much more equal than nearly most other of the preceded proposals here in the forum!
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quote:Originally posted by Matze: The DEI 2400 and the Viper 2500 are not internally bridged, they CAN be strapped.
The 2400/2500 cannot be strapped according to DEI. Here is a direct quote from the website:
quote: the d600.1 and d1200.1 can be strapped together to double their individual power, and the d2500.1 has enough power to run most major appliances, coming in at a true 2.5KW. And if that’s not enough, you can double, triple, and quadruple that power by adding more d2500.1 using our built-in synced gain feature.
Master/slave RCA jack functions support two amps bridged to one load (d600.1, d1100.1), or multiple amps driving separate loads with synced gain (all models except d300.1)
It states that the 600.1 and 1200.1 can be strapped, but nothing about the 2500.1 (the 2500.1 is basically a two channel 1200.1). Also the built-in synced gain feature is not strapping the amps together, it is merely matching all of the gains.
The reason that I had behind the true monoblock strappable amps was that they are generally less powerful than a large internally bridged monoblock.
Examples: RF bd1500 DEI 1100d/1200.1 Kicker kx1200.1 MTX 81000D Crossfire 1000d Memphis 1000d Visonik VX900d MA Audio 5082(?)
Most of those amps struggle to do roughly 1500 watts at 12V. The DD9501 has yet to be proven capable of big power at 12 V. I have seen outrageous power numbers stated at 18V+, but I'll bet it does less than 2000 watts at 12V.
I know of not true monoblock out there capable of doing 2000 watts at 12V. The DD9501 has yet to reach most consumers, so power outputs from it are all speculation currently.
quote:Originally posted by miniddbeast: Ok idbl......see how cheap other things are to comp. in. .....i guess we need to make it so the sparko matic guy can win street.
I am not trying to offend anyone, I am just making points
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quote:Originally posted by miniddbeast: Ok idbl......see how cheap other things are to comp. in. .....i guess we need to make it so the sparko matic guy can win street.
No we need to make it so that regular people can win...not just who has the most money/hookup.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I don't believe we should limit the number of channels in Street A to 2 as many normal, off-the-shelf amps are 4-channel amps.
Please keep brainstorming.
I still think an MSRP cap would be best for Street (a) Think about it, if a manufacturer gives an MSRP for an amp, they can't charge more for it, therefore, the companies will not "mark it down" for competitors.
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quote:Originally posted by Matze: The DEI 2400 and the Viper 2500 are not internally bridged, they CAN be strapped.
The 2400/2500 cannot be strapped according to DEI. Here is a direct quote from the website:
quote: the d600.1 and d1200.1 can be strapped together to double their individual power, and the d2500.1 has enough power to run most major appliances, coming in at a true 2.5KW. And if that’s not enough, you can double, triple, and quadruple that power by adding more d2500.1 using our built-in synced gain feature.
Master/slave RCA jack functions support two amps bridged to one load (d600.1, d1100.1), or multiple amps driving separate loads with synced gain (all models except d300.1)
It states that the 600.1 and 1200.1 can be strapped, but nothing about the 2500.1 (the 2500.1 is basically a two channel 1200.1). Also the built-in synced gain feature is not strapping the amps together, it is merely matching all of the gains.
The reason that I had behind the true monoblock strappable amps was that they are generally less powerful than a large internally bridged monoblock.
Examples: RF bd1500 DEI 1100d/1200.1 Kicker kx1200.1 MTX 81000D Crossfire 1000d Memphis 1000d Visonik VX900d MA Audio 5082(?)
Most of those amps struggle to do roughly 1500 watts at 12V. The DD9501 has yet to be proven capable of big power at 12 V. I have seen outrageous power numbers stated at 18V+, but I'll bet it does less than 2000 watts at 12V.
I know of not true monoblock out there capable of doing 2000 watts at 12V. The DD9501 has yet to reach most consumers, so power outputs from it are all speculation currently.
How come my viper 2500 has an RCA input and output and slave/master switch? Are these useless
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Ok here it is plain and simple. THE ONE WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS....almost all the time in life. So it dont matter what the rules are guys and girls. Cause if it ant the 4kw i will promise the jbl crown will be the top amp at finals this year so it dont matter.
quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I don't believe we should limit the number of channels in Street A to 2 as many normal, off-the-shelf amps are 4-channel amps.
Please keep brainstorming.
I still think an MSRP cap would be best for Street (a) Think about it, if a manufacturer gives an MSRP for an amp, they can't charge more for it, therefore, the companies will not "mark it down" for competitors.
I agree with a MSRP limit...but I like the blacklist idea as well....
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quote:Originally posted by miniddbeast: Ok here it is plain and simple. THE ONE WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS....almost all the time in life. So it dont matter what the rules are guys and girls.
But doesn't that take away from the "Street" Image? I understand with SS and extreme though...
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quote:Originally posted by miniddbeast: Ok here it is plain and simple. THE ONE WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS....almost all the time in life. So it dont matter what the rules are guys and girls. Cause if it ant the 4kw i will promise the jbl crown will be the top amp at finals this year so it dont matter.
You are 100% correct, that is why there needs to be an MSRP cap on it
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all i know is 2 D2's on 1 12 volt battery is gonna make a lotta smoke, or 1 big fire. screws me. "real" street people can't afford to repair amps all the time. *waitin for someone to say i need to switch brands then*
Only thing that I'd like to see different is sound dampening. Make it to 4mm so that everyone in here wouldn't have to rip of their stuff... 4mm Bitum is most common way in here. There are only 2mm and 4mm available in here...
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