quote:Originally posted by chemid51: well, you cant say the field isnt even now. my 4- mmats d300's can now take on 2-4kw's. it is a level field now, its just a higher level.
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- What about a Viper 2500 or a DEI2400d? They ARE strappable (external bridgedable) - so they must be true monos ...
- What will be with a DD 9501, AFAIK they'll be strappable, too.
Take 4 of the named amps and you'll have 2 bridged channels for your Street A car.
It's not the right way to make other amps competable to the 4kW. Do not permit power - LIMIT it!
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Most of the large monoblock amplifiers are already bridged internally, therefore they would count as 1 bridged channel per amp. You could use two of these in Street A.
The Zapco amp is just one example of a product that was manufactured to dominate in a specific class of competition. The dBDRA is reluctant to ban products that competitors have already invested their money in. (Same is true for Quad Coil woofers.)
The biggest complaint I have heard regarding the Zapco amp is that it is expensive. The reality is that the Zapco amp is already two seperate amps that are mounted in a common heatsink. I feel that more amps such as this will continue to be introduced until the problem is resolved. The intent of the 1 amp limit wasn't that we only wanted to see a single heatsink, rather it was that we wanted to see a limited number of channels. The maximum number of allowable channels has not changed. I believe that competitors can easily obtain (financially) multiple amps that they can then use in the Street Division. So I guess the question for the competitor is to either buy one huge, expensive amp or to use several common, off-the-shelf, commercially available amplifiers.
From my perspective, nothing has changed other than the fact that competitors have more selection choices with regards to the brand of product they are using.
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quote:Originally posted by RangerMan: But 4 amps in street possibly??? Who honestly has 4 amps in a normal, everyday setup...
Who uses a "monster" amp in Street?
Shelduv's explanation is right on the money.
I expect everyone who currently uses an amp (like to the Zapco) to complain because they are losing an advantage. I believe everyone else needs to re-read the definition of bridged in the rule book (or read Shelduv's explanation above.)
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quote:Originally posted by RangerMan: But 4 amps in street possibly??? Who honestly has 4 amps in a normal, everyday setup...
Who uses a "monster" amp in Street?
Shelduv's explanation is right on the money.
I expect everyone who currently uses an amp (like to the Zapco) to complain because they are losing an advantage. I believe everyone else needs to re-read the definition of bridged in the rule book (or read Shelduv's explanation above.)
I guess the thing I don't understand is this: Are we better off with someone running a single 4kw or someone running 2 2500Ds...
Me...I run a Visonik V900XD, not a overly huge amp...like a 4kw or for that matter 2 2500Ds
quote:Originally posted by Chris B: Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?
I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.
Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..
Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.
And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!?
That's the thing, we didn't get what we were asking for. We wanted the playing field to be leveled and keep the cost down, not make it more to be competitive.
It will be all of a few hundred less expencive than SS NW to be competitive now......
It will still be significantly less expensive. Our Team's SS-NW vehicle required the following equipment.
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i see a lot of complaining going on and that isn't productive, maybe a poll? democracy rules? 4kw's would still be allowed in 3-4 if we did half it. It went from some complaining to a lot more complaining. i'm not happy with it but all in all, this is more fair but yet again still expensive for the people who simply can not do it.
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I have no problem cutting the number of allowable channels in half. But what about all of the people already competing? How many people would be affected?
Various manufacturers have already indicated that they are planning on taking their stock, high-performance amps and putting more than one of them in large heatsinks. In my opinion this doesn't benefit anyone. Retailers don't sell it, they are a pain to manufacture, and they are expensive. Yet competitors will be forced to purchase these high dollar "monster" amps in order to be competitive. To me it makes sense to allow competitors to use standard, off-the-shelf amps. This benefits everyone (except the people who are already using the monster amps.)
I want to see a change to the Street Division that will have a minimum impact on competitors that have already purchased equipment. I also want to see changes that will benefit the local retailer.
For years all we have heard about is how unfair the monster amps are. Now that the issue is being addressed, people are still unhappy.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: Most of the large monoblock amplifiers are already bridged internally, therefore they would count as 1 bridged channel per amp. You could use two of these in Street A.
The Zapco amp is just one example of a product that was manufactured to dominate in a specific class of competition. The dBDRA is reluctant to ban products that competitors have already invested their money in. (Same is true for Quad Coil woofers.)
The biggest complaint I have heard regarding the Zapco amp is that it is expensive. The reality is that the Zapco amp is already two seperate amps that are mounted in a common heatsink. I feel that more amps such as this will continue to be introduced until the problem is resolved. The intent of the 1 amp limit wasn't that we only wanted to see a single heatsink, rather it was that we wanted to see a limited number of channels. The maximum number of allowable channels has not changed. I believe that competitors can easily obtain (financially) multiple amps that they can then use in the Street Division. So I guess the question for the competitor is to either buy one huge, expensive amp or to use several common, off-the-shelf, commercially available amplifiers.
From my perspective, nothing has changed other than the fact that competitors have more selection choices with regards to the brand of product they are using.
Very simple....make the power restriction with an amp list and those who still have the big zaps can always run street 3-4......
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I have no problem cutting the number of allowable channels in half. But what about all of the people already competing? How many people would be affected?
Various manufacturers have already indicated that they are planning on taking their stock, high-performance amps and putting more than one of them in large heatsinks. In my opinion this doesn't benefit anyone. Retailers don't sell it, they are a pain to manufacture, and they are expensive. Yet competitors will be forced to purchase these high dollar "monster" amps in order to be competitive. To me it makes sense to allow competitors to use standard, off-the-shelf amps. This benefits everyone (except the people who are already using the monster amps.)
I want to see a change to the Street Division that will have a minimum impact on competitors that have already purchased equipment. I also want to see changes that will benefit the local retailer.
For years all we have heard about is how unfair the monster amps are. Now that the issue is being addressed, people are still unhappy.
If you cur the number of chanels in 1/2 the it would be the JBL/crowns turn to dominate.....it is a true monoblock....
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Just make us Street guys play for 15 seconds. Enduro is the only solution. Maybe I'm wrong, but how can a yellow-top/stock alternator push 4000 watts for 15 seconds? Let the spectators hear some long, loud bumping.
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: I have no problem cutting the number of allowable channels in half. But what about all of the people already competing? How many people would be affected?
Various manufacturers have already indicated that they are planning on taking their stock, high-performance amps and putting more than one of them in large heatsinks. In my opinion this doesn't benefit anyone. Retailers don't sell it, they are a pain to manufacture, and they are expensive. Yet competitors will be forced to purchase these high dollar "monster" amps in order to be competitive. To me it makes sense to allow competitors to use standard, off-the-shelf amps. This benefits everyone (except the people who are already using the monster amps.)
I want to see a change to the Street Division that will have a minimum impact on competitors that have already purchased equipment. I also want to see changes that will benefit the local retailer.
For years all we have heard about is how unfair the monster amps are. Now that the issue is being addressed, people are still unhappy.
The obvious way, in my opinion, to keep things fair is to keep last year's rules, and make a "Black List" for amps in Street Only. Therfore, the amps (ie 4kw) will not be banned all together...
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I want to see a change to the Street Division that will have a minimum impact on competitors that have already purchased equipment. I also want to see changes that will benefit the local retailer.
Then leave it the way it was.........plain and simple, everyone knew the damn rules. This is getting rediculous, it really is, what the hell happened to no major changes?
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quote:Originally posted by Wayne Harris: What if we added a 2 amp limit to Street A and a 4 amp limit to Street B?
I think you limited to 2 true mono-blocks(example: 2 rockford bd1500's), that are externally bridgeable(strappable), or one internally bridged amp(example: memphis 2000D) in street A, and double that in B, that would be fair.
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wow stuff is moving fast, heres one point i have, since us street A people are saying cut it in half, and u say what about people who have these monster amps, well if they can afford these monster amps, can't they afford 2 more 12's? 1 more 15? or 1 18"? for street B. Wayne i know this has to be frustrating for you as you are only trying to make everyone happy and it is difficult for you. I'm happy you are trying though and do not think that your efforts go unnoticed
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