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quote:
Originally posted by ShockingCanada:
so basically now in street 1-2 you can use say 2 internally bridged monoblocks (example I could use 2 Earthquake D2's?)

And I can run two MOJO's?? [Eek!] I don't think I like this rule Wayne, this is REALLY going to cause problems, trust me, from a street competitor last season, this is going to cause MAJOR problems........besides, like what was said before, a LOT of people or going to be dropping out of street class this year. I for one won't be able to afford another amp to compete. What "street" set up would run that much to 2 12's or one 15?

What happened to no major changes?? [Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes]

[ 01-24-2003, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: idbl_Fanatic ]

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Rick,

it doesn't mean you have to buy another mojo today. The season is fairly long.

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quote:
Originally posted by QuadCam:
Rick,

it doesn't mean you have to buy another mojo today. The season is fairly long.

Your right, but that isn't going to happen anyway, not with a baby on the way.

Ya know, I used to like dBdrag, but all of these changes latley, it's bull, why must Wayne make this more difficult that it needs to be? Remember the old saying "if it's not broke, don't fix it" what was wrong with the rules that were in place? if you want to remove the move up rule, go right ahead, whatever, but you are COMPLETLY changing all the rules in street, WTF?

[ 01-24-2003, 07:38 AM: Message edited by: idbl_Fanatic ]

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I read the definitions, and is this correct? I can run 4 bd1500's in street A and 8 in Street B, since they are mono amps? Just curious. [Smile]

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This is insane....this is 200% worse than keeping the rule as it was in '02...D3s in 1-2, 4 D3s in 3-4......well this will sucsesfully get rid of more of the newbies since now a single 1000wt amp has not a snowballs chance in hell....you may go through a batt every run but even for just one 3s burp you will have superstreet power in street class [Roll Eyes] [Frown] [Roll Eyes] it would be 100% better to make an amp list....that is the only think that would improve opon the old rules for street amps.....this rule will drive many out of DB Drag and to that new orginization....they have solved this amp problem......

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quote:
Originally posted by alrile:
I read the definitions, and is this correct? I can run 4 bd1500's in street A and 8 in Street B, since they are mono amps? Just curious. [Smile]

that is what I was asking about a rules clarification on. I think the wording needs to be redone. I think wayne wants to level the playing field currently occupied by the "monster" amps, not overtake it by allowing 16000 watts of db1500 in Street B!

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This is freakin Ridiculous! We might as well call street A, superstreet A, and street B, superstreet B now. 4 mono amps in 1-2 and 8 mono amps in 3-4? When we said we wanted mono amps allowed we meant 2 in 1-2 and 4 in 3-4. This really doesn't solve the problem. While mono-block amps are relatively cheap($200-$250), if you have to buy 8 of them you are still looking at $1600-$2000 worth of amps to compete in a beginner class, and that is just for 1000D's. If you start talking about bd1500's, that's more like $350 each, and that is $2800!!!! This is utterly ridiculous! If the rules stay that way, bye-bye dB Drag.

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You're welcome for the help Wayne, I do think however that the channel limits should be cut in half as I stated in my first proposal.

I think that 2 unbridged channels in A and one bridged channel would be good. As well as 4 unbridged in B.

By allowing 8 unbridged channels in B with the use of 2 15s, how is that much different that No Wall with a battery/alt restriction.

2-15s and 8 1000ds would be competitive in either division. This should not fly well. 4 bd1500s in A, and 8 bd1500s in B would be a little much.

We might also add a definition as to what consitutes a true mono (unbridged amp) and a bridged mono amp. Examples:

True Mono (1-channel):
BD1500
1000D
1100D

Bridged Mono (2-channels):
D2, D3
Mojo
VR2000d
Mmats D300

This would help clear up an issue I see arriving later in the year when some kid gets upset because his MONO D2 is actually a 2 channel amp that is internally bridged. 1 channel amps can be bridged together into 1 load. Internally bridged 2 channel amps cannot, even if they are "mono" in their output.

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I would rather my 4KW be banned from competition all together than this. I guess I better call Alan and Bobby and order my 4 bd 1500s for STREET CLASS this year [Eek!] . What would keep Zapco or other companies from making an 8 KW with two amps that are each as power ful as a 4KW but only one circuit board and 4 stereo channels because don't think they won't? What about 2 JBL Crowns? I agree that this will be worse than the old rules. I was kind of hoping that I could just use my 4KW in street 3-4 if the rules were changed which was fine by me, I never really agreed with it anyway(gotta do what you gotta do to be competitive) but this is crazy. Lets call the new classes NW A and NW B.

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This ends up to be just like the power cap.......you need us to let you know what amps are internaly bridged...just like we could let you know what amps produce more than 3000wts rms........and the bd1500 needs to be modded to slave a pair...i know they do not come that way.....

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and under these rules i could run 4 Concept ccd2400s in 1-2 (8000wts rms)...does that sound fair???

If you make an amp list you make 10 or so guys mad because they just got 4kwts...

With this rule you make at least 50 mad and will lose 100s more posible newbies....

Keeping it as it is in '02 will make the same 50 mad but they are not going to jump ship most likly......

[ 01-24-2003, 08:18 AM: Message edited by: Ghost man ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Shedluv:


True Mono (1-channel):
BD1500
1000D
1100D

Bridged Mono (2-channels):
D2, D3
Mojo
VR2000d
Mmats D300


Isn't the MOJO a True Mono?? it is internally bridged (one Channel)

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Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?

I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.

Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..

Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.

And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!? [Confused]

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originally posted by Shockingcanada:
I must say I think that the rule should be that in street A you can use a maximum of one bridged output (so like a single two channel amp or a single internally bridged monoblock or two externally bridged monoblocks) and in street 3-4 it should be that you can use a max of 2 bridged output channels (so a single 4 channel, 2 2channels, 2 int bridged monoblocks or 4 ext bridged monoblocks)

After reading all of it he makes more sense.

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yeah so can we use 2 d2`s or 2 d3`s in street 1-2 a...

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I however do agree that this may be getting a little out of hand.. I mean.. maybe the street class should be renamed as its becoming less and less of street than it already was..

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quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?

I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.

Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..

Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.

And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!? [Confused]

becuse this will drive many out of DB Drag because street class is going to become almost as expencive a SS NW...2 15s and 8 amps...does that sound like NW to you.....yes.....but now with two batts and a stock alt it is in Street class.....

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quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?

I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.

Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..

Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.

And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!? [Confused]

That's the thing, we didn't get what we were asking for. We wanted the playing field to be leveled and keep the cost down, not make it more to be competitive.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Chris B:
Ok.. what does everyone expect to get out of this?

I think Wayne is doing a great job addressing what most people are asking for.

Most people wanted to scrap the move-up rule.. so its now gone..

Most people wanted something done so the 4Kw no longer dominates the street classes.. so now the playing field is being leveled.

And now people are complaining more after getting what they've asked for!? [Confused]

becuse this will drive many out of DB Drag because street class is going to become almost as expencive a SS NW...2 15s and 8 amps...does that sound like NW to you.....yes.....but now with two batts and a stock alt it is in Street class.....
I agree.. however people were complaining about it.. so something was done about it.. I do agree tho it's a little much..

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quote:
Originally posted by idbl_Fanatic:
quote:
Originally posted by Shedluv:


True Mono (1-channel):
BD1500
1000D
1100D

Bridged Mono (2-channels):
D2, D3
Mojo
VR2000d
Mmats D300


Isn't the MOJO a True Mono?? it is internally bridged (one Channel)
A true mono amp is strappable...

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