I want to thank everyone for their input on the rules this season. I also want to thank Matt Rennells for his extremely well-thought proposals for the Street Division amp limitations.
Please comment accordingly.
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so now we can use two zapco 9.0's in street 1-2 instead of the 4kw??? I dont see any difference. 2 bridged channels...cant the 4kw have 2 bridged channels?
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quote:Originally posted by Tinted: so now we can use two zapco 9.0's in street 1-2 instead of the 4kw??? I dont see any difference. 2 bridged channels...cant the 4kw have 2 bridged channels?
You are correct. You can also use any number of amplifier brands to accomplish the same thing as the "monster" amps for only a fraction of the cost.
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by the same reasoning I can put 2 4000x's on one 15 inch sub??? hmmmm, I think its gonna create a farther dispute b/c we are going to see many people do what i just proposed. Now all we need is more batteries allowed in street and someone is gonna pop a 170.
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I also thought the same thing. No major changes?
-No move up rule
-1 15 in S1-2
-2 15s in S3-4
-Now no limitation on amplifiers
Yeah I see no changes
what about the people that wasted $,$$$.$$ on the those Big amplifiers. You just screwed alot of people I for one But i guess whatevers better for dB Drag
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Classing amplification by channels and not amps is a good idea but doesn't it seem a little much?
Wouldn't half of that be enough? Street A: 2 brigeable or 1 bridged Street B: 4 bridgable or 2 bridged.
That way if you have one of the big amps you can still enter street b. Something like 4 81000d's in the lowest class available seems pretty full on (and expensive in some countries outside the US).
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quote:Originally posted by osolow: Classing amplification by channels and not amps is a good idea but doesn't it seem a little much?
Wouldn't half of that be enough? Street A: 2 brigeable or 1 bridged Street B: 4 bridgable or 2 bridged.
That way if you have one of the big amps you can still enter street b. Something like 4 81000d's in the lowest class available seems pretty full on (and expensive in some countries outside the US).
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PEOPLE COMPLAIN WHEN NOTHING CHANGES, NOW THAT WAYNE CHANGES THINGS, PEOPLE ARE STILL COMPLAINING? I DONT GET IT. WAYNE MADE CHANGES BECAUSE OF OUR INPUT. WELL, I AM A BIT CONFUSED ALSO. 4- MEMPHIS 1100D IS STREET A. CAN I RUN 2 MMATS D300'S IN STREET A.?? A LIST NEEDS TO BE MADE UP FOR THIS. I UNDERSTAND WAYNES RULE CHANGE, HOWEVER, I DO NOT KNOW THE CONFIGURATION OF THE AMPS IN QUESTION. HOW CAN YOU KNOW IF 2 CHANNELS ARE BRIDGED INSIDE THE AMP? THE MMMATS SAYS 1200 X 1. IS IT BRIDGED INSIDE ALREADY? I AM SURE THIS QUESTION CAN BE ASKED OF MANY AMPS. THANKS IN ADVANCE.
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Hmmm... this seems to me like the craziest ruling I've ever seen... So you're "capping" the power in street class, by allowing them to have MORE power?
So much for only small changes eh?
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Oh no... this is not very good, and certainly makes a lot of guys dissappearing from Street class here. If it works better in US, what can I do, but here we really would like to keep it ONE amp for Street A and two for B. Go ahead and limit the channels/bridges and all, but this would allow people to have even 4 true-mono amps in Street A and 8 in B ??? That goes way off...
Although, I have felt that the battery limitations limits the Street amps almost enough anyway.
The amplifiers has not been an issue here in Europe, so we haven't been talking much about this as we were happy anyway. How many times I have said the Worlds Loudest Street cars have not used any damn expensive beasty zapcos or something.
Certainly some people understand what all is behind this, like what's the point of having 8 amps with one battery... or how it is good to be able to have 4 cheap amps than one expensive... or what about having 4 really big monoamps that are coming out this year...
But how about the new guys, they don't even want to bother when they know/see the guys they have to compete against has 4 big amps against one they have...
If this is a final decision, then fine, we'll go with that and have fun! But this is a big change - at least elsewhere than in US.
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This means that you can have over 5.000 watts and 10.000 watts in Street A & B for very little money compared to now... I feel sorry for the poor batteries that will try to supply the current for all these amps...
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Swedens loudest Street car in both dB Drag Racing and Bass Race ever!
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you may be able to run the amps that are making the numbers in other classes now in street, but the limitations are going to be the power supply.. s1-2 has 1 battery in the stock loc, s3-4 has max of 2, so think about it current draw verus's voltage drop = not as much power output from the amps.....
Ok take a us amps 2000x, been told they draw like 300amps at full noise, thus making big numbers, but how long does a single battery system last with this much draw, will it give enough to get 1 full power burp out or not???
This may now get rid of the "cheater" amps, the 2 in one case trick......
And JOe average, who can't afford a zapco 9.0, but can afford 2 x 12" woofers and 2 x insert brand, 1000wrms mono amps may be able to start winning instead of getting hosed by a cheater amp setup.......
quote:posted by Tinted: Now all we need is more batteries allowed in street and someone is gonna pop a 170.
See exactly my point, let street class have lots of amps, but limit their power supply, as they say give with one hand take with the other....
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Man...in my opinion, this is taking the "Street" out. The reason I decided to do dB Drag was because I though the Street 1-2 class was very fair. Now, by allowing multiple amps in the class (street A) people are going to sway away from Street (which may I say is an ENTRY class) and thus, away from dB Drag. I think last years amp rules were 10 times better than these, because they are fair. Money was a factor then, but now, it will really be. I believe that osolow has the best idea...still making Street 1-2 a beginner class.
quote:Originally posted by chemid51: PEOPLE COMPLAIN WHEN NOTHING CHANGES, NOW THAT WAYNE CHANGES THINGS, PEOPLE ARE STILL COMPLAINING? I DONT GET IT. WAYNE MADE CHANGES BECAUSE OF OUR INPUT. WELL, I AM A BIT CONFUSED ALSO. 4- MEMPHIS 1100D IS STREET A. CAN I RUN 2 MMATS D300'S IN STREET A.?? A LIST NEEDS TO BE MADE UP FOR THIS. I UNDERSTAND WAYNES RULE CHANGE, HOWEVER, I DO NOT KNOW THE CONFIGURATION OF THE AMPS IN QUESTION. HOW CAN YOU KNOW IF 2 CHANNELS ARE BRIDGED INSIDE THE AMP? THE MMMATS SAYS 1200 X 1. IS IT BRIDGED INSIDE ALREADY? I AM SURE THIS QUESTION CAN BE ASKED OF MANY AMPS. THANKS IN ADVANCE.
You are correct man ! I believe that a lot of people wish now, the old rules will stay !
Better and easier to buy a 4 KW instead of mounting adjusting and buying 4 mono amps... (Ok, but still cheaper)
Jani, there is ONE car what used, ok, no 4KW, but an "expensive" Zapco amp in Street in Germany and it IS below the loudest on earth, not loudest, but BELOW
Whatever the decision is, I accept, when I want to compete...
Should I complain that I cant fly to the moon, just because its too expensive for me? I WANT FLY TO THE MOON AND WALK ON IT AND WRITE A BIG "Ü" INTO ITS SURFACE WHAT CAN BE SEEN FROM THE EARTH !!! THIS IS NOT FAIR !
If its too expensive, I stay at home and dream of it...
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: My personal opinion is. old rules were GOOD ! 1 Amp in Street "A", 2 Amps in Street "B". Hold this old ruling on 4 Channels in one Amp. Manufacturers have to act and build amps for their "promoting" competitors... Other manufacturers go with time and rules, and are the bad boys now? Not fair at all !
As Jani said, you dont need the monster amps to be loud... But also you can get louder with them...
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I must say I think that the rule should be that in street A you can use a maximum of one bridged output (so like a single two channel amp or a single internally bridged monoblock or two externally bridged monoblocks) and in street 3-4 it should be that you can use a max of 2 bridged output channels (so a single 4 channel, 2 2channels, 2 int bridged monoblocks or 4 ext bridged monoblocks)
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is a pair of "strapped" amps considered to be a single bridged channel? If so, that would allow 4 amps in Street A and 8 amps in Street B.
I am assuming that is not what Wayne intends. I'm sure we'll see a clarification on that.
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