quote:3-4 Additional Guidelines: · While seated, the location of the passenger’s heels may not be higher than the location of the passenger’s seat. (The passenger’s heels must be lower than his butt.) In addition, the passenger’s feet must be located in front of the passenger.
Could you include the word 'torso' in the last sentence. This will save someone from arguing what 'in front of the passenger' is.
EXAMPLE:In addition, the passenger’s feet must be located in front of the passenger's torso.
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I still dont see anything in the street classes about 13" woofers. I know the JL, Kenwood, and Pioneer all have those on their price sheets for 2003. I would assume you could use one 13" in street A and 2 13" in Street B, but the wording as it stands now does not address this.
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Looking Good... Any fine tuning of the rules is appreciated, the rules are definitely eliminating gray areas that were concerns for most of us last year.
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quote:Originally posted by Bobby Riley: I still dont see anything in the street classes about 13" woofers. I know the JL, Kenwood, and Pioneer all have those on their price sheets for 2003. I would assume you could use one 13" in street A and 2 13" in Street B, but the wording as it stands now does not address this.
I agree, maybe it needs to state that you can use 2 12" woofers and 1 woofer larger than 12, not to exceed a 15. The other class would be 4 12" woofers, and 2 woofers larger than 12, not to exceed a 15.
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You need to address the pockets that are on the consoles of extreme vehicles under the mic. you know the drop off on the passenger side of the dash, either it is or isnt illegal, either way is no difference just as long as everyone has the same rules for a dash.
WAYNE PLEASE address this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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quote:3-4 Additional Guidelines: · While seated, the location of the passenger’s heels may not be higher than the location of the passenger’s seat. (The passenger’s heels must be lower than his butt.) In addition, the passenger’s feet must be located in front of the passenger.
Could you include the word 'torso' in the last sentence. This will save someone from arguing what 'in front of the passenger' is.
EXAMPLE:In addition, the passenger’s feet must be located in front of the passenger's torso.
quote: Vehicles that have been structurally modified to accommodate the sound system or vehicles that exceed the maximum gross weight limits as detailed in the vehicle’s operating manual should never be driven on public streets or highways.
What is this? If we are in a place like Daytona and the lanes are in the loading docks at the Ocean Center, or the cars are parked on the beach and the lanes are in the Plaza Resort’s parking lot, and dB Drag requires you to drive on city streets to get to the lanes, what are we suppose to do? Or is this just a legal statement by dB Drag so they can’t be held responsible for tickets? So, I guess my question is: Do we make dB Drag bring the lanes to us? Or make dB Drag have enough room for trailers to get in a load and unload.
quote:Originally posted by Bodyjar: So I gather the thread about amps in Street class was a waste of time?
there are now 3 pages of discussions on the street class amp situation. There are many useful suggestions and ideas.
Will any of these be addessed by the time the final rules revision is complete?
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quote: Vehicles that have been structurally modified to accommodate the sound system or vehicles that exceed the maximum gross weight limits as detailed in the vehicle’s operating manual should never be driven on public streets or highways.
What is this? If we are in a place like Daytona and the lanes are in the loading docks at the Ocean Center, or the cars are parked on the beach and the lanes are in the Plaza Resort’s parking lot, and dB Drag requires you to drive on city streets to get to the lanes, what are we suppose to do? Or is this just a legal statement by dB Drag so they can’t be held responsible for tickets? So, I guess my question is: Do we make dB Drag bring the lanes to us? Or make dB Drag have enough room for trailers to get in a load and unload.
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I know it was mentioned by judges last year, but an official ruling on positioning of seats in street classes (i.e.- CRX's with 4KW's behind the front seats) would be something worthwhile IMO
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many street competitors questioned the amp locations used in the CRXs at finals.
If the locationisue was cleared up, th crxs probably wouldn't be able to fit their 4KW amps in their.
maybe these issues are interrelated?
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Please.,please.,please., a ruling on caping amp power in street .,using weight as a deciding factor? Thank you. Russell. P.S. The rules are looking goooood.
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only 1 exeption.... street damping.... could it be 1/6 or 1/4 inch instead.... the most common dampingmat here in europe is 4mm thick so thats 0.8mm too mutch with current rules...so alot of competitors have tons of damping in their cars that they cannot use anymore....
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I think that due to the extremely confined spaces underneath the rear bench seat of an extended cab truck, that the seat should be allowed to be removed. If the enclosure complies with the string test and stays below the window line and no other rules pertaining to street class are broken, then the truck should be allowed to compete in street class.
If a small truck with jump seats can have them folded up for the enclosure then a full size truck with a bench should be allowed to remove the bench to allow adequate space for the enclosure.
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I don´t know why all the people moan about damping material thickness...
Its good for better the SOUND ! If you build(t) a db drag car, don´t use it, and you have no problems ! Even I didn´t use that, and I HAVE and USE and DRIVE a damn db drag car what is playing music ! I see no reason to put sound damping material into a car when its just for db drag, nobody drives with it, nobody listen into it, neither when no head unit or one small speaker is inside the cabin. And also I can´t understand that people put a lot of that expensive stuff into a car, when its so useless as they wan´t to tell us all the time...
New Rules look FINE regarding this point !
Thanks !
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: I waited really long before I wrote something about that... Yes, I think its bad for SOME people who LISTEN in their cars and have now problems, BUT rules are rules...
PS2.: And sorry if I have offended somebody now, but I couldn´t hold back anymore...
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Hi Stroker, yes, thats the point ! Some cars DO get louder, some not. If my car is louder or not with thick damping material? I dont know. I never testet it ! Reason: I read the rules, saw 1/8 inch (and I combined that both, spray AND mats, can be 1/8 inch together) so I decided to safe the work, money, time to do this, because its worthless. A 1/8 inch damping will not help my score. I understand that it cant be more than this, if I bent the rules so, that I found thicker mats, yes, than I would do this, BUT I want to be a serious competitor who is doing serious competition. When I cant make my car the to loudest on planet, so its ok for me. I don not wine about my 10th place at world finals, I am proud ! And I know that there many more cars over mine, thats ok too. I have my own philosophies what keep the scores low. But thats my own problem
When I go to a Single Point Event, ok, lets be veery tolerant with rules. I tried all the time find holes in rules and use them to show other people how bad this can be ! I did this for many years, with success! But when it comes to Multi Pointers, or finals, everything what can be against the rules will be banned from my car.
And every competitor has to do the same thing. Finding something what is LEGAL and not against the rules. You dont have to tell it everybody, you can use it by yourself. Thats very ok. But looking for form errors in words ( I hope you understand what I mean) is not the right way ! When somebody do that, its not everytime a bad behavior, maybe problems by translation or something else. But sometimes it looks, that people use that language problems for their advantge !
Üüüühh!!! Michael
PS.: At last I want to say: I don´t know everything I cant do everything I am not the Boss in all systems ! I am not the best, but I´ll try to be ! I dont want to do anything against other person, what I dont want that they do against me ! I am not GOD (Please dont misunderstamd that sentence) I try to make my way as easyas possible without bothering or discriminating other people for my benefits
I use that simple small rules for everydays relations! Not just for db drag !
Hm, I think I could be a philospher....muaahahaha...
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Oh, I forget to add, that in MY opinion a dampingmaterial thickness of 1/6 inch is acceptable ! This are 1 mm more than this 1/8" Because of our metric system (what is more and more common in the US I heard...) that "oblique" inch numbers are from yesterday (no offend !) And that fact , that most mats HAVE that 4mm, and that db drag becomes more and more international, the rules have to go more international too. That means US guys have some advantages and disadvantages now, and European (or Asian, Arfrican, Australian...) have also more advantages and disadvantages...
Just a another thought and suggestion from me...
Üüüühh!!! Michael
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