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You did good Wayne, You addressed alot of issues that needed addressing. And leave the tint thing as it was this year. I dont see a problem with it at ALL.
But as far as the 2 layers of damping material and the 1/8 inch thickness, I think you might want to measure some popular mats that your retailers carry Wayne, and make your decision on that.
Besides that it looks good to me.
Eric
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quote:Originally posted by SPLfreek: You did good Wayne, You addressed alot of issues that needed addressing. And leave the tint thing as it was this year. I dont see a problem with it at ALL.
But as far as the 2 layers of damping material and the 1/8 inch thickness, I think you might want to measure some popular mats that your retailers carry Wayne, and make your decision on that.
Besides that it looks good to me.
Eric
1/8"=.125 DYNAMAT ORIGINAL IS .07 THICK DYNAMAT XTREME IS .044 THICK DYNASHIELD SPRAY THICKNESS IS RECOMMENDED AT .07 THICK EXTREMELINER IS .392 THICK SO YOU COULD STILL USE TWO LAYERS OF DYNAMAT XTREME. YOU CAN'T USE EXTREMELINER
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I just broke out the micrometer on my dynamat extreme.
It measured approximately .070", not the .044 that dynamat claims. i suppose you could smush (sp.) it down.
with the paper backing on it (.007"), it measured anywhere from .070" to. .078". remove the paper backing and you are left with .063" - .071"
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I like everything, but am I to understand that once someone qualifies for Finals they are no longer required to move up in class. Does this also apply to those that attend and place at finals?
<Deleted for 03') "Competitors who qualify for the World Finals must move up into either the Super Street or Extreme Divisions the following season. Once a competitor has moved up, they may no longer compete in the Street Division."
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ANDREW, THANKS FOR THAT, YOU ARE RIGHT, THAT IS FROM THE DYNAMAT WEBSITE. I ACTUALLY COULD CARE LESS ON THE DECISION, I HAVE YET TO SEE IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ANY STREET VEHICLE I HAVE WORKED ON. SUPER STREET HOWEVER MAY BE DIFFERENT STORY.
I WOULD IMAGINE THE MANUFACTURER SPECS STILL WOULD PREVAIL. NOT PRACTICAL TO ACTUALLY MESAURE IT AT COMP. I THINK THATS WHY WAYNE SAID MAX 2 LAYERS.
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3-4 The passenger compartment must accommodate 2 average size adult passengers, sitting side by side, in a traditional seating arrangement. (Intent: The passenger compartment of the vehicle should approximate that of a typical vehicle.)
Additional Guidelines:
· For clarification purposes, the dBDRA defines an average size adult as someone who is 66 inches (5’ 6” or 167.64cm) tall.
· Passengers may not lean forward, backward, or to one side when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· Passengers may not tilt their head forward, backward or to one side when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· Passengers may not sit “cross-legged” when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· While seated, the location of the passenger’s heels may not be higher than the location of the passenger’s seat. (The passenger’s heels must be lower than his butt.)
· While seated, the distance between a passenger’s knees and chin shall be at least 12 inches (30.48cm). (Compliance with this rule can be verified by laying a mic jig across the passenger’s knees and then measuring the distance from the center of the jig to the passenger’s chin.)
You should add the feet must be in front of the person's torso (body).
And What does this mean?
· A minimum unobstructed area of at least 4 square feet (0.3716m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle
quote:Originally posted by Rump Shaker Racing: Looks Great But:
3-4 The passenger compartment must accommodate 2 average size adult passengers, sitting side by side, in a traditional seating arrangement. (Intent: The passenger compartment of the vehicle should approximate that of a typical vehicle.)
Aaron,That is intended to do away with the plexiglass wedge shaped build downs that some people used to get around the rules last year.
Additional Guidelines:
· For clarification purposes, the dBDRA defines an average size adult as someone who is 66 inches (5’ 6” or 167.64cm) tall.
· Passengers may not lean forward, backward, or to one side when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· Passengers may not tilt their head forward, backward or to one side when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· Passengers may not sit “cross-legged” when demonstrating compliance with this rule.
· While seated, the location of the passenger’s heels may not be higher than the location of the passenger’s seat. (The passenger’s heels must be lower than his butt.)
· While seated, the distance between a passenger’s knees and chin shall be at least 12 inches (30.48cm). (Compliance with this rule can be verified by laying a mic jig across the passenger’s knees and then measuring the distance from the center of the jig to the passenger’s chin.)
You should add the feet must be in front of the person's torso (body).
And What does this mean?
· A minimum unobstructed area of at least 4 square feet (0.3716m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle
Aaron,That is intended to do away with the plexiglass wedge shaped build downs that some people used to get around the rules last year.
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quote:Originally posted by Rump Shaker Racing: And What does this mean?
· A minimum unobstructed area of at least 4 square feet (0.3716m^2) must be provided between the driver’s side of the vehicle and the passenger’s side of the vehicle
This area is the area located between the floor/console and the roof/build down
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Once more, I just have to say I am not happy with the mat damping thickness rule. I fail to explain this good enough obviously.
People here likes to use plain normal bitumen sound damping mat, it is sold it larger quantaties and it is cheaper than those better qualitity brand products which are expensive and sold in rather small pieces. For example, the local shops where I have always bought dampening mats for my car (not a db drag at all!) does not even carry mats under 4mm.
Also, if I believed it would make a difference in the score by having 1/4" of these bitumen mats than having 1/8" of some very good "sprayed-on" stuff I would agree with this rule. I am afraid what this will make. It is about every single competitor over here who has damped their car ever that now has to tear everything a part, well that's not my problem but I feel for them. More importantly as they get pissed on getting pissed on, I am afraid what kind of liquied they will come up...
Like.. oh there is a store up north that sell sand and polyester-epox mix called VibraStop, let's put 3mm layer of that as the rules only allows that, and our car is hard as a rock.
Don't even try to add it in the rules that you can use sound dampening as long as it doesn't bring any extra rigidy in your vehicle.
Please consider this once more if there is a way to find a mid-way.
I like the 4sq.ft rule on the cabin, I know it will make extreme guys to tear down a lot in this part of the world, where the cars are small, but I believe this good, just clarify it a little bit. Will it be like... Steve is saying (?), the area must be between center console and roof, or can it also be between center console and wall plus center console and wall. "Total area" is fine with me.
Thanks again!
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Iam still waiting for the "judge protecting" rule...
Don't forget that...!!!!
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In my opinion, the rules and common sense for protecting judges are already there. It is more up to the head judge who can decide when to DQ the competitor or not. Accidents do happen in life no matter what, but sure these things can be arranged so there is no real chance to burp while mic-judge is in. But that can also be arranged by the event organizer, no matter what the rules are.
For example, having some real idea in the build-up times and not to stress competitors so much for having everything up and running at the same time when judges are setting the mics. As I have always said, I do not like that at all, the time when staff is working on the car should not be included in the possible build-up/tear-down time limits. But that's just my opinion which some of you know from Eurofinals and other events.
However, as it is known how people and companies are sued in US, you would think dBDRA would make sure there is no chance in hell for someone loosing their hearing by making it clear mistakes leading to accidental burps could not happen either from competitors nor judges actions.
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Oh well here goes one last shout. We just don't see why Db Drags is gonna give up the Ext 13+ class for a new Ext 1 class. They said they were doing away with 13+ due to making less Ext classes, but by adding the Ext 1 class, there is still the same amount of classes.
Ahhh, venting is nice.
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The rules.,sound.,good. The only thing missing is a ruling on the maximum weight that an amp can have.,and still participate. Thank you. Russell.
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quote:Originally posted by TEAMNOISE1: They said they were doing away with 13+ due to making less Ext classes, but by adding the Ext 1 class, there is still the same amount of classes.
It has nothing to do with "giving up ext 13+ for ext 1" - Wayne already told, he cannot justify a class keeping alive for only 5 competitors worldwide!
Üüüühh!!! Matze
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