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RFVega115
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This question has been on my mind for a while now.


How much do ya'all think amp power is going to factor in with the RTA & 10ft SPL. I would mainly guess it would factor in the SPL portion.


The reason I am asking this is fairness with the speaker classes which mentions nothing about total amplifier power?


I am aware that you can't go beyond 136dB, but someone in my speaker class can get closer than me with more amp power.

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RF Vintage Old School Fanatic, The Punch Car Audio for the dedicated sound enthusiast with a passion for performance!
Cerwin Vega! Turn It Up! Since 1954. 50(more)years of disturbing the peace!
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83 Honda Civic Hatchback Lowrider
1 15" Cerwin Vega 'Vega' series
6 RF Coaxials 4" 5 1/4"
4 Realistic tweets (piezo/horn)
2 Rockford Fosgate Punch 150
RF XV1 x-over
RF PA1HD eq
Clarion 9772RT
Stinger SP1000 Power2 & SP1700 Power2dB
SurePower Isolator
LOUD Psychlone!!

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The RTA will null any benefits of any gains in SPL.

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Basically what I am inquiring about is this:

Will amplifier power classes in the speaker classes be more of a fair competition for all?

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RF Vintage Old School Fanatic, The Punch Car Audio for the dedicated sound enthusiast with a passion for performance!
Cerwin Vega! Turn It Up! Since 1954. 50(more)years of disturbing the peace!
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83 Honda Civic Hatchback Lowrider
1 15" Cerwin Vega 'Vega' series
6 RF Coaxials 4" 5 1/4"
4 Realistic tweets (piezo/horn)
2 Rockford Fosgate Punch 150
RF XV1 x-over
RF PA1HD eq
Clarion 9772RT
Stinger SP1000 Power2 & SP1700 Power2dB
SurePower Isolator
LOUD Psychlone!!

LOUD ALARM/PAGER!

33 Trophies (Show & Sound)!

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Maybe...but then you get into the "cheater amp" and hidden amp thing again.

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quote:
Originally posted by winslow:
Maybe...but then you get into the "cheater amp" and hidden amp thing again.

Heck, I can go by the TRUE rms rating for my Punch 150's to make the Competition Format fair for all.

'Stated Rated' about 300-400w total for my 2 150's.

'TRUE Rated' about 600-700w.

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RF Vintage Old School Fanatic, The Punch Car Audio for the dedicated sound enthusiast with a passion for performance!
Cerwin Vega! Turn It Up! Since 1954. 50(more)years of disturbing the peace!
-----------------------------------

83 Honda Civic Hatchback Lowrider
1 15" Cerwin Vega 'Vega' series
6 RF Coaxials 4" 5 1/4"
4 Realistic tweets (piezo/horn)
2 Rockford Fosgate Punch 150
RF XV1 x-over
RF PA1HD eq
Clarion 9772RT
Stinger SP1000 Power2 & SP1700 Power2dB
SurePower Isolator
LOUD Psychlone!!

LOUD ALARM/PAGER!

33 Trophies (Show & Sound)!

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quote:
Originally posted by winslow:
Maybe...but then you get into the "cheater amp" and hidden amp thing again.

A point to make about "cheater amps" & "hidden amps":


Judges will be looking through the entire install for format points anyhow, most likely BEFORE the RTA & 10ft SPL metering. They should be familiar with the "cheater amps", especially RF Vintage/Old School & Orion HCCA's among some others. Then they can properly place them in their proper power class. As a personal opinion, I think the majority of competitors will be using 'New School' non-cheater amps.


For "hidden amps", which I am assuming you mean amps that are intentionally hidden from view to cheat, again I mention the Judges keeping a keen eye on the entire install to find any kind of deception that MIGHT occur, which I doubt will be a big concern. [Wink]

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RF Vintage Old School Fanatic, The Punch Car Audio for the dedicated sound enthusiast with a passion for performance!
Cerwin Vega! Turn It Up! Since 1954. 50(more)years of disturbing the peace!
-----------------------------------

83 Honda Civic Hatchback Lowrider
1 15" Cerwin Vega 'Vega' series
6 RF Coaxials 4" 5 1/4"
4 Realistic tweets (piezo/horn)
2 Rockford Fosgate Punch 150
RF XV1 x-over
RF PA1HD eq
Clarion 9772RT
Stinger SP1000 Power2 & SP1700 Power2dB
SurePower Isolator
LOUD Psychlone!!

LOUD ALARM/PAGER!

33 Trophies (Show & Sound)!

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Remember the old nitrous oxide systems adds "Lets Cheat" I got a rack of 150's I want to use
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I am new at this type of competition and it looks very interesting, I had a chance to check out RFVEGA115's set up and I must say, I was very inpressed with the quality of the vintage install. It took me back about 10 - 15 years, I am quite surprised of the care and intensity that went into making that little hatchback look like it just came out of a time warp. This makes me want to build one too. By the way, thank you for all your support at our last event and I hope to see you return and maybe we can get others to be excited about the "All Around Ride" like you have, RF Vega 115.

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quote:
Originally posted by Competition Only:
I am new at this type of competition and it looks very interesting. I had a chance to check out RFVega115's set up and I must say, I was very impressed with the quality of the vintage install. It took me back about 10 - 15 years. I am quite surprised of the care and intensity that went into making that little hatchback look like it just came out of a time warp. This makes me want to build one too. By the way, Thank You for all your support at our last event and I hope to see you return and maybe we can get others to be excited about the "All Around Ride" like you have, RFVega115.

Thanks Shadow! [Smile]

Yea, I have kept it up since 90 just about like that. A TRUE Vintage Old Schooler! [Wink]


BTW, here is a great pic that you took of the 83 & me that I decided to post on here:

http://audioforum.termpro.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/10/1212.html


Thanks for the great show & competition and for showing me the 'trick' to increasing my score on the TermLab meter. I do look forward with much anticipation to attending many more of your shows! [Wink]

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RF Vintage Old School Fanatic, The Punch Car Audio for the dedicated sound enthusiast with a passion for performance!
Cerwin Vega! Turn It Up! Since 1954. 50(more)years of disturbing the peace!
-----------------------------------

83 Honda Civic Hatchback Lowrider
1 15" Cerwin Vega 'Vega' series
6 RF Coaxials 4" 5 1/4"
4 Realistic tweets (piezo/horn)
2 Rockford Fosgate Punch 150
RF XV1 x-over
RF PA1HD eq
Clarion 9772RT
Stinger SP1000 Power2 & SP1700 Power2dB
SurePower Isolator
LOUD Psychlone!!

LOUD ALARM/PAGER!

33 Trophies (Show & Sound)!

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Things have kinda came to a stop,has any one competed under the rules yet or any tests?Jon
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